Frankie

[Mr. Marshmallow]

It really does hurt, and it's one of the reasons I find such connection and emotional attachment to cartoon girls as opposed to real ones. I've been where Frankie has been and I've felt that same powerful pains that Frankie feels, yes she's a strong woman and she's able to hold her own, but she's still lonely.

The commentary is indeed proof of that. Even if everything Bloo was doing to her was a load of crap about the mall incident, Frankie was the one who brought up her lack of social life and emotional trauma with Wilt. Let's be honest, Wilt isn't a bad guy but as Frankie put it, it is weird to have an IF prom date.

What Frankie did is a textbook example of how powerfully painful isolation can become. Frankie's need to have "someone" to go to prom with showed her need for a companion, someone she wanted to go with and the fact Wilt was the one she went with, shows she couldn't really find a date and that's deeply hurtful.

How anyone can't recognize what Frankie has to offer is a miracle to me, and I have felt that way for a long time. Frankie punching out Dylan proves she can stand up for herself, but in the end, she's still alone and it makes me feel for her. She was SO happy to getting dressed up when she dated Dylan.

And it's so sad when someone devotes so much love and only ends up getting hurt in the end. Take Fifi La Fume from Tiny toons, very similar. She's a compulsive romance nut and dreams of having her own boyfriend. But the fact she's a skunk drives away alot of people who can't stand her fowl odor.

In the "How I spent my summer vacation" video, Fifi actually found the skunk boy of her dreams, but he ended up totally taking advantage of the fact she'd do anything for him and ended up eyeing a prettier girl instead. Frankie's date can end comically or sadly, either way it doesn't change she got hurt.

Frankie is someone who deserves better and most of all, she deserves what others DO NOT deserve: love, family, trust. There are lots of people who don't deserve the girls that love them and it's a true crime against nature, and I can only hope and prey that the karma train one day comes and runs their ass into the ground for it.

Much like Frankie's fist did for Dylan.

[Cassini90125]

I haven't listened to the commentary yet, as other's comments about it left a bad taste in my mouth, but I'll listen over the weekend sometime. That someone like Frankie could be so lonely... it hurts like "Imposter's" hurt. Believe me, I know what it's like to give my heart to someone, only to have it shattered; I think I've mentioned my ex-fiance now and then. I could never treat a lady the way she treated me. It was very tramatic. I may not be much, but I deserved better than that. I've moved on, but the scars remain, and I still need someone to care about. Frankie is easy to care about, because she is a very caring person herself; I want to reach out to her, and I want her to reach out to me as well. She's overworked, underpaid, surrounded by often ungrateful IF's, has little social life, and is lonely, yet is so dedicated, so compassionate, that she won't turn her back on that situation. How could anyone not love this woman? Who wouldn't want to reach out to her and say, "I think you're special"? I can't help how I feel about Frankie. Stars know I tried to fight it two years ago, when I realized I was falling for her, but she's too compelling to turn away from. I couldn't not care about her, and love her, if I tried.

[Mr. Marshmallow]

Here, here. I'm by no means perfect nor am I what any girl would call a "dream date", but I feel I have alot to offer and I think women really don't appreciate what I am truly capable of, just like everyone inside and outside of Foster's doesn't really appreciate what Frankie does.

Frankie may not be real but if she was, I'd sure as hell would comfort her as much as I could. I'd let her know she doesn't need assholes like Dylan and that she deserves WAY more credit then Herriman for keeping the house in order. Herriman does more rule enforcing then actual house structuring.

Frankie does everything from diapers to toilet scrubbing and instead of being thanked, she usually gets yelled at for how "poorly" she's doing her job. Any manager would sell his own feet to get someone like Frankie working for em. She's a sleeping beauty, sleeping under everyone's radar and attention.

And one last thing, I make you guys all a bet. I bet you any conceivable amount of money, that if ANY guy knew just how dedicated Frankie is to the people she loves and the places she works at, they'd be banging down her doors before she could even blink.

Anyone who knows Frankie as well as we do knows she's worth devoting your whole life towards. She'd never insult you, mistreat you, and above all, she would NEVER cheat on you. Frankie would never toy with someone's emotions or refer to you as property, she's someone who appreciates what she has.

If she had kids and a husband, she'd devote every waking moment to making them both happy, and anyone who even thinks of cheating on her with another woman is truly an idiot. Because he has no idea what he's missing.

[Voxxyn]

Wow... some wonderful words by Mr. M and Cass.

This is something I've mostly kept quiet ever since I first became a fan, but now that it's been brought up on this thread: I've always believed that Frankie is lonely and an outcast to some extent. She's friendly and sociable and gets along with nearly everyone, but she devotes literally all her free time living with beings that are considered by society as inferior, at the expense of a "real" life and job. That has to be seriously damaging to her social status and image.

While it's baffling to us that someone like her would be slighted in such a way, I do have some objective reasons why. Aside from the obvious stigma of being a glorified nanny-janitor to things that many deem as useless children's playthings, the tantrums and outbursts provoked by her job could potentially lead people to wrongly perceive her as an angry, hateful, bitter hag-of-a-girl. And I've noticed that in the ocassions where considerable attention is attracted from the outside world--the mall antics and subsequent ban in "Store Wars", the joyriding bus and cops in "Bus the Two of Us", the failed television exposure in "The Big Cheese"--that Frankie is often seen by others in a negative and uncomplimentary light. It all detracts from the wonderful, loving, big-hearted girl that she truly is.

And it seems as if Frankie isn't entirely satisfied with her physical appearance, at least as seen in that kitchen scene with Coco in "The Big Picture". This is especially true with how thin her legs are, which I've noticed is the exception instead of the rule in the Foster's universe. Many other adult female characters on the show(The dog owner's girlfriend/wife in "Who Let The Dogs In", Erin Peterson, the Deo television supermodels) are portrayed with normal-length waists and legs. That could make Frankie secretly insecure about the potential of her physical 'desirability' with same-age single males, especially in a modern youth culture obsessed with quick thrills details over depth and substance. Also, Frankie can as often be as insecure and shy as she is strong and independent; she was very nervous in her date with Dylan, she was sincerely hurt and saddened when Bendy called her a wannabe, etc.

It's indeed a tragic shame... but at the same time, they make me love her and care about her even more. And I'm sure that's true of everyone else here.

[InsaneFan]

Well, Frankie may be lonely, but apparently she's not lonely enough to fall for guys less-than-perfect(Chris, Douglas, Adam).

I don't know what point I'm making, so I'll just leave now...With my short-posting self...=P

[frankie_fan]

I know this is off-topic, but just to let everyone know, I won't be here for a couple of days, as I'm off to see my Uncle in Cooma, down south-west of where I live. So, I'll see you guys later (probably when I've purchased the DVD! )

[Mr. Marshmallow]

Originally Posted by InsaneFan

Well, Frankie may be lonely, but apparently she's not lonely enough to fall for guys less-than-perfect(Chris, Douglas, Adam).

Chris, Douglas, and Adam were not by any means people that could be fallen for because they weren't really in LOVE with Frankie, they were more infatuated with her. Kind of like how Mac was, but I personally think Mac had justifiable reasons. I mean she kissed him how many Frankie fans got that treatment?

But anyways, Frankie didn't fall for those guys because they were too obsessive of her. Dylan may have been a prick but he at least knows that drooling and constantly bowing to a girl's beauty every waking moment is going to scare people off. It freaks people out and it certainly unnerved Frankie.

Being lonely and being with someone who's obsessed with an image of you isn't much of what I'd call an even balance. Vox is certainly right about Frankie's "public" image. Every time she goes out in public, people seem to constantly catch her in her worst moments and think ill of her.

Lady in the mall at "Store Wars", news reporter at "Big Cheese" and etc. They always catch her in bad moments and ignorantly assume that is how Frankie always is. And while it is true she does have a temper problem, I think that's just apart of personality and not something that makes her a bad person.

I agree with Vox on the physical appearance though too. Frankie dresses certainly very elaborately when she goes out on dates, it's possible she maybe does that to hide the fact she's a little skinnier then most people. Which is a shame that Frankie should feel negative about her body.

She's got nothing to be ashamed and nothing to feel ashamed of, there's much more to a person then just how they weigh, and certainly more to Frankie then those bad moments people keep catching.

[Voxxyn]

Frankie may have the insecurities and problems that I and Mr. M have listed, but that doesn't mean she should blindly lower her standards because of it. She knows that people like Douglas and Adams and Chris don't truly love her(well, I'm undecided on Chris, but he hasn't showed any real deep feelings yet); at best, they see her as an exceptionally hot redhead chick and nothing more. At the same time, she's turned down the muscular Prince Charming(rude and perverted) and the handsome-looking Dylan(complete jerk), which means that Frankie is NOT merely being superficial.

I have no doubt that Frankie's ideal boyfriend would be someone with the personality of Mac: honest, intelligent, helpful, openminded, compassionate, etc. She flat-out says at the beginning of FMD that she wishes that all men were like him. Dylan actually seemed like an adult Mac before his true nature was revealed.

I know that I'm definitely NOT 'date' material, but even if just as a friend, I'd treat Frankie the way she should be, and that's as a decent and hardworking human being who deserves more respect instead of a walking lust object.

This is my 1,000th post on Never Forgotten, so in celebration, I'll repeat the first three words I said on my very first post: I love Frankie. And I forever will.

[Medikor]

Originally Posted by Voxxyn

I know that I'm definitely NOT 'date' material, but even if just as a friend, I'd treat Frankie the way she should be, and that's as a decent and hardworking human being who deserves more respect instead of a walking lust object.

I agree completly and I feel the same way. But the impression that I got from the commentary was more of a "Frankie having probloms relating with other humans" than an "I'm lonely and want someone to love me" kind of thing.
I think it was to show that she just wants to fit in and not be "that Fosters girl", if you know I mean. Yes she has her friend Kathy but I think Frankie just wants to feel less weighed down with her Fosters life. But we know the she definetly loves what she do'es and would never want to abandon Fosters and the imaginary friends.
And congratulations on your 1oooth post, Voxxyn!

[AerostarMonk]

Now this may seem a little off topic. But Frankie reminds me of those girls in those teen movies who are unspeakably nice and adorable, but they're made fun of constantly. Then they get a makeover and then they're the talk of the school or whatever and then the hunky guy finally likes them and they decide to keep the look. I'm just going on record to say I hate when that happens.

Why can't the guys ever just accept these kinda girls for who they are instead of trying to change them to suit their status? I would shudder if this ever happened to Frankie, for it has happened to several other cartoon characters in the past. Although they were ancillary characters, so I guess we can count on no major changes happening to Frankie, or at least not of that nature.

Oy, for the second time today I think I've lost sight of my point.