Goofball John Magee - Never Forgotten: a Foster's Home Community

Nathander · 12-20-2006, 06:43 PM

I'm not attempting to change you, or anyone elses, minds Voxxyn. All I'm trying to do is get my voice and opinion out on this topic.

And I have repeatedly stated that I didn't find what happened to Frankie to be acceptable or deserved. I think it sucks what she had to go through, but at the same time, that's life. We've all had days like Frankie has in this instance, which is the one thing I really find admirable about the episode; it's at least a fair reindition of several days I've had before. Perhaps not to the exact scale of Frankie's, but similiar.

Merely out of curiousity, though, what exactly do you think Goofball's punishment should have been?

Cassini90125 · 12-20-2006, 07:03 PM

At the very least, he should have been made to clean the entire house, top to bottom, and been made to do it repeatedly until he got it right.

Nathander · 12-20-2006, 07:19 PM

My problem with that logic is this, Cassini:

Lets take a hypothetical trip to the store with your hypothetical little brother. While at the store, you're little brother is messing around with a jar of pickles and drops it, shattering the glass and making pickles, pickle juice, and glass scatter every which way. The store will, most likely, call maintenance to clean up the mess while you will be expected to pay for the damage.

So the problem here is this: being Frankie's job, she is obliged to clean up any messes made in the house. Meanwhile, the person who has made the mess (Goofball) wouldn't be made to clean it up. He could, however, be expected to pay for damages (the houses' food he ate, ect.) and thus that could possibly logically be forced on his family. And, to a degree, I think that could be a possibility, considering Goofball wasn't abandoned or given up, but had come to the House on his own accord, possibly with the sole intent of mooching for awhile.

Just my two cents, really.

Cassini90125 · 12-20-2006, 07:26 PM

I grant that, however this is one of those cases where logic goes out the window, as there's a lot of emotion involved. From my perspective, the only thing I can see is that the woman I love suffered a horrendous day, and the source of that suffering must be made to pay for it, and pay in full.

Mr. Marshmallow · 12-20-2006, 07:33 PM

The only problem with that is letting things that are personal get in the way of reasoning. Granted, I hate Goofball's treatment of Frankie but if I was in a position to punishmen him, I know it wouldn't help if I went ballistic on him.

I can see your side Cass but I do think it's important to keep anger and personal issues in check when doing something that regards punishing another.

Just my 4 cents.

Cassini90125 · 12-20-2006, 07:38 PM

I agree. However, in some cases that can be very difficult, even impossible. For me, this is one of those cases. I want justice, yes, but I also want vengeance.

Mr. Marshmallow · 12-20-2006, 07:40 PM

Just keep in mind those 2 are very different things, and the line often gets blurred with anger.

My only suggestion would be to take a page from Frankie's book and not let this thing control you and keep your pissed off at Goofball 24/7.

At least not wanting crush, kill, and destroy him. I say he deserves to get a karma ass kicking but that's it, any further and it's pushing the bill too far.

Mr. Marshmallow · 12-20-2006, 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nathander

Merely out of curiousity, though, what exactly do you think Goofball's punishment should have been?

Make Goofball clean every inch of the house with a toothbrush, including the toilets. That would be the most common cartoon form of punishment.

Now if you wanna go medieval on his ass, I suggest the more barbaric yet ironically more "fairy tale" form of punishment I heard about in the infamously gorey "Brothers Grimm" fairytails:

Put him in a barrel with jagged nails and spikes, lock it up, tie it to the saddle of a horse and then have the horse ride on at full speed with Goofball getting kicked around in the barrell of spikes and nails.

Voxxyn · 12-20-2006, 07:17 PM

I think that next time the Fake-Outz or any other band that Frankie likes come to perform in/near Wilson Way, when the concert is done(which Frankie would attend as V.I.P.), Goofball should be forced to clean and scrub the stadium 100% spotless from top-to-bottom all by his own. Yes, the entire stadium.

Since he's not exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer, there would preferably be a small group of big and menacing security men to 'monitor' him(but not assist with the actual cleaning, of course).

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12-20-2006, 06:43 PM	#1
Nathander The Best Character on the Show Hairgel! Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 441	I'm not attempting to change you, or anyone elses, minds Voxxyn. All I'm trying to do is get my voice and opinion out on this topic. And I have repeatedly stated that I didn't find what happened to Frankie to be acceptable or deserved. I think it sucks what she had to go through, but at the same time, that's life. We've all had days like Frankie has in this instance, which is the one thing I really find admirable about the episode; it's at least a fair reindition of several days I've had before. Perhaps not to the exact scale of Frankie's, but similiar. Merely out of curiousity, though, what exactly do you think Goofball's punishment should have been? __________________

12-20-2006, 07:03 PM	#2
Cassini90125 The Postmaster Love gives you courage that's stronger than anything! Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Saturn Posts: 6,668	At the very least, he should have been made to clean the entire house, top to bottom, and been made to do it repeatedly until he got it right. __________________ "Frankie! That weird kid is using a flower pot for a cup!" Sailor Moon. Best Anime EVER.

12-20-2006, 07:19 PM	#3
Nathander The Best Character on the Show Hairgel! Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 441	My problem with that logic is this, Cassini: Lets take a hypothetical trip to the store with your hypothetical little brother. While at the store, you're little brother is messing around with a jar of pickles and drops it, shattering the glass and making pickles, pickle juice, and glass scatter every which way. The store will, most likely, call maintenance to clean up the mess while you will be expected to pay for the damage. So the problem here is this: being Frankie's job, she is obliged to clean up any messes made in the house. Meanwhile, the person who has made the mess (Goofball) wouldn't be made to clean it up. He could, however, be expected to pay for damages (the houses' food he ate, ect.) and thus that could possibly logically be forced on his family. And, to a degree, I think that could be a possibility, considering Goofball wasn't abandoned or given up, but had come to the House on his own accord, possibly with the sole intent of mooching for awhile. Just my two cents, really. __________________

12-20-2006, 07:26 PM	#4
Cassini90125 The Postmaster Love gives you courage that's stronger than anything! Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Saturn Posts: 6,668	I grant that, however this is one of those cases where logic goes out the window, as there's a lot of emotion involved. From my perspective, the only thing I can see is that the woman I love suffered a horrendous day, and the source of that suffering must be made to pay for it, and pay in full. __________________ "Frankie! That weird kid is using a flower pot for a cup!" Sailor Moon. Best Anime EVER.

12-20-2006, 07:33 PM	#5
Mr. Marshmallow Not-So-Hopeless Romantic Gotta love being in love Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Orland Park, IL Posts: 1,924	The only problem with that is letting things that are personal get in the way of reasoning. Granted, I hate Goofball's treatment of Frankie but if I was in a position to punishmen him, I know it wouldn't help if I went ballistic on him. I can see your side Cass but I do think it's important to keep anger and personal issues in check when doing something that regards punishing another. Just my 4 cents. __________________ http://www.youtube.com/user/BionicSlime http://www.fanfiction.net/~nukem999

12-20-2006, 07:38 PM	#6
Cassini90125 The Postmaster Love gives you courage that's stronger than anything! Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Saturn Posts: 6,668	I agree. However, in some cases that can be very difficult, even impossible. For me, this is one of those cases. I want justice, yes, but I also want vengeance. __________________ "Frankie! That weird kid is using a flower pot for a cup!" Sailor Moon. Best Anime EVER. Last edited by Cassini90125; 12-20-2006 at 07:41 PM. Reason: Corrected spelling of "vengeance".

12-20-2006, 07:40 PM	#7
Mr. Marshmallow Not-So-Hopeless Romantic Gotta love being in love Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Orland Park, IL Posts: 1,924	Just keep in mind those 2 are very different things, and the line often gets blurred with anger. My only suggestion would be to take a page from Frankie's book and not let this thing control you and keep your pissed off at Goofball 24/7. At least not wanting crush, kill, and destroy him. I say he deserves to get a karma ass kicking but that's it, any further and it's pushing the bill too far. __________________ http://www.youtube.com/user/BionicSlime http://www.fanfiction.net/~nukem999

12-20-2006, 07:17 PM	#9
Voxxyn Banned Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Zebes Posts: 1,069	I think that next time the Fake-Outz or any other band that Frankie likes come to perform in/near Wilson Way, when the concert is done(which Frankie would attend as V.I.P.), Goofball should be forced to clean and scrub the stadium 100% spotless from top-to-bottom all by his own. Yes, the entire stadium. Since he's not exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer, there would preferably be a small group of big and menacing security men to 'monitor' him(but not assist with the actual cleaning, of course).