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Mr. Marshmallow · 06-27-2007, 02:09 PM

I think of all the "other" characters that have appeared on Foster's, Berry truly deserves to come back the most and I really think she would be the most interesting. I know many people on here love Red and would like to see him again (I would too), but in honesty, Red coming back wouldn't really make a big diff.

His character is too simplistic to scream out a "MUST RETURN" kind of thing for him. The nice thing about Berry is that she is a bonified, solid, through and through villain. Let's face it, we can sympathize with her all we want but in the end she's a bad guy just like Kip, Little Lincoln, Duchess and the Swapper.

I kind of got upset when people said Berry isn't evil and that she only acts this way because of how she was treated in all that speculatory about her background. I personally don't see why it's so hard to accept the fact that imaginary friends can BE evil by nature, they can be bad just by who they are.

I think Berry would be SWEET to see come back, odds are she's even crazier then she was before after rolling around on a giant rubber band ball for countless episodes.

The Huntsman · 06-27-2007, 10:49 PM

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I kind of got upset when people said Berry isn't evil and that she only acts this way because of how she was treated in all that speculatory about her background. I personally don't see why it's so hard to accept the fact that imaginary friends can BE evil by nature, they can be bad just by who they are.

That?s the thing that always bothered me, though. If Berry is evil by design, then isn?t she a victim of her own creation? As I?ve said, I?ve missed a lot of episodes, though has there been any episodic evidence that a good Imaginary Friend can turn evil, or have a drastic change in personality? There might have been, as I?ve only just recently began watching the series again, though this subject has always fascinated me.

jekylljuice · 06-28-2007, 04:50 AM

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That’s the thing that always bothered me, though. If Berry is evil by design, then isn’t she a victim of her own creation? As I’ve said, I’ve missed a lot of episodes, though has there been any episodic evidence that a good Imaginary Friend can turn evil, or have a drastic change in personality? There might have been, as I’ve only just recently began watching the series again, though this subject has always fascinated me.

While not a conversion from good to evil, the TV special "Good Wilt Hunting" certainly demonstrated that Imaginary Friends can have personality changes and be affected by significant or traumatic events in their lives, much like people. I don't want to ruin it for you if you haven't seen it, but it gave as a chance to finally learn more about Wilt's background, and see that there was once a time in which he was more carefree and self-confident than he has generally been portrayed as throughout the series.

I don't believe that Berry was necessarily the way she is by creation, but at the same time I don't believe that it's necessarily her own fault. Much as people are products of their genetic and social enviroments, I would say that the personality of an IF is shaped largely by the kind of background they've had. Obviously, their means of creation seems to rule inherited genetic factors out, but they are still very much products of their human creator's pyschological frame of mind, and GWH additionally suggested that IFs may also be reflective of their creators' subconscious desires - a child may be inclined to create a friend with specific personality feats for reasons that they may not immediately be aware of. At the same time, IFs have autonomy and the ability grow and develop indepentently of their creators. The reasons behind Berry's antagonism may not have been revelent to the episode itself, but I personally feel that there's still room to speculate about her past life and how it may have influenced her, much as fans always did with Wilt prior to GWH, even if we're unlikely to ever find out for sure.

Mr. Marshmallow · 06-28-2007, 03:25 PM

While I agree Berry has a lot of elbow room for her background to be developed, the problem is people often WANT their to be something more to a character then there actually is. For all we know, a lot of the IFs there could have backgrounds that pose similar problems or situations that shaped them into who they are.

But in my opinion, I really don't think ANYthing the IFs go through will 100% change who they really are. Wilt may have been more care free back in his older days but comparing how he is now to how he was then, he wasn't that dramatically altered. He's changed yes, but not that much when you consider his personality and the way he acts.

Look at Red, the only thing he shared with Terrance was his stupidity. Red was born to kill Bloo and smash him yet Red doesn't have a mean bone in his body in truth. Didn't matter what Terrance said or did, the fact is Red is the way he is and no matter what he was told or forced to do, his true personality became evident.

Berry to me is and will ALWAYS be the obsessive, psycho, crush, maniac little pink blob she's always been. My only speculation about her past is that she was given up BECAUSE of her personality, that she became too insanely obsessed with her creator or that creator's friend, or dog, or mom or whatever. I see absolutely zero remote possibility she was "abused" or hit.

Imaginary friends in truth, don't really change, none of the IFs in the main or miscellanous cast have completely departed from their basic personality functions. We've been with Bloo since the beginning and while he has show signs of change a few times, majority of the time, he is still the same old Bloo. Same with Wilt, same with Eduardo, and same with any other IF.

jekylljuice · 06-28-2007, 04:26 PM

Red, in my opinion, is a pretty good illustration of how a child’s subconscious desires can influence the personality of their imaginary friends. We know from Terrence’s penchant for soap operas that he does have at least an inkling of a soft and sensitive side deep down, and it’s perfectly possible that Red, in many ways, is an embodiment of that. That he ultimately found more sympathy in his supposed enemy Bloo than in his creator is what sealed his loyalties. It also seems to me that Red does have a mean and violent side of his own but he'll only use it for defensive purposes and when pushed too far, as he finally demonstrated with Terrence. You could argue really that Red inherited a lot from his creator, but that he just channelled these personality traits in completely different ways.

To be honest, Berry’s background isn’t really something I’ve thought about too extensively myself (and it wouldn‘t necessarily have had to involve anything terribly shocking or dramatic like physical abuse to have made her who she was, just what kind of influences she received throughout life), but I can’t really blame her fans for wanting to speculate on the matter, even if it goes beyond what the writers have implied and intended. When you like or take an interest in a particular character, especially one with rather vague background details, you do kind of instinctively want to know more and to get thinking of the possibilities. It's only natural.

FeDeReR · 07-16-2007, 05:50 AM

what do you think about her?

Little Baby IceCream · 07-16-2007, 07:02 AM

I like Berry! She's kind of like me. I can be sweet when I want to be, but also have an attitude when I want to have one.

~Little Baby IceCream~

ptps · 07-16-2007, 07:18 AM

You... obviously didn't go through the forum FAQ. Did you, Fed.

Also: http://www.fosters-home.com/forum/showthread.php?t=135

Cassini90125 · 07-16-2007, 08:04 AM

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what do you think about her?

In the future, please use the Search feature before starting a new thread. Also, please review the Rules section about "Subject-Only" threads.

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You... obviously didn't go through the forum FAQ. Did you, Fed.

Also: http://www.fosters-home.com/forum/showthread.php?t=135

It's been dealt with. Back to you, Berry.

The Huntsman · 09-14-2007, 07:16 PM

So, our vinaceous little vixen returned, and she was as venomous as ever. I had been calling for Berry to return since right after Berry Scary, and I am quite pleased with how she was handled. I still believe that Berry is a victim of her own existence, as even if she was created with all of her problems, such is the fault of her creator. Still, she had quite an impressive plan in the recent episode she appeared in. She invaded a home, kidnapped and imprisoned its owners for several weeks, masqueraded as a human, and then attempted to murder Mac. She has a hell of a lot of resolve and I admire her wickedness.

The one thing I found a bit odd was how “Barry” and Bloo merely played games and had fun. I know it was all a part of Berry’s plan, but I don’t think she would have the patience, and if the object of her desire was constantly within her grasp, one would think she would try to do something other than just play games with him. Still, at least she did manage to spend time with Bloo; he didn’t know who she was, as usual, but I still think Berry and Bloo make a cute couple, just like Frankie said in Berry Scary.

06-27-2007, 02:09 PM	#81
Mr. Marshmallow Not-So-Hopeless Romantic Gotta love being in love Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Orland Park, IL Posts: 1,924	I think of all the "other" characters that have appeared on Foster's, Berry truly deserves to come back the most and I really think she would be the most interesting. I know many people on here love Red and would like to see him again (I would too), but in honesty, Red coming back wouldn't really make a big diff. His character is too simplistic to scream out a "MUST RETURN" kind of thing for him. The nice thing about Berry is that she is a bonified, solid, through and through villain. Let's face it, we can sympathize with her all we want but in the end she's a bad guy just like Kip, Little Lincoln, Duchess and the Swapper. I kind of got upset when people said Berry isn't evil and that she only acts this way because of how she was treated in all that speculatory about her background. I personally don't see why it's so hard to accept the fact that imaginary friends can BE evil by nature, they can be bad just by who they are. I think Berry would be SWEET to see come back, odds are she's even crazier then she was before after rolling around on a giant rubber band ball for countless episodes. __________________ http://www.youtube.com/user/BionicSlime http://www.fanfiction.net/~nukem999

06-28-2007, 03:25 PM	#84
Mr. Marshmallow Not-So-Hopeless Romantic Gotta love being in love Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Orland Park, IL Posts: 1,924	While I agree Berry has a lot of elbow room for her background to be developed, the problem is people often WANT their to be something more to a character then there actually is. For all we know, a lot of the IFs there could have backgrounds that pose similar problems or situations that shaped them into who they are. But in my opinion, I really don't think ANYthing the IFs go through will 100% change who they really are. Wilt may have been more care free back in his older days but comparing how he is now to how he was then, he wasn't that dramatically altered. He's changed yes, but not that much when you consider his personality and the way he acts. Look at Red, the only thing he shared with Terrance was his stupidity. Red was born to kill Bloo and smash him yet Red doesn't have a mean bone in his body in truth. Didn't matter what Terrance said or did, the fact is Red is the way he is and no matter what he was told or forced to do, his true personality became evident. Berry to me is and will ALWAYS be the obsessive, psycho, crush, maniac little pink blob she's always been. My only speculation about her past is that she was given up BECAUSE of her personality, that she became too insanely obsessed with her creator or that creator's friend, or dog, or mom or whatever. I see absolutely zero remote possibility she was "abused" or hit. Imaginary friends in truth, don't really change, none of the IFs in the main or miscellanous cast have completely departed from their basic personality functions. We've been with Bloo since the beginning and while he has show signs of change a few times, majority of the time, he is still the same old Bloo. Same with Wilt, same with Eduardo, and same with any other IF. __________________ http://www.youtube.com/user/BionicSlime http://www.fanfiction.net/~nukem999

06-28-2007, 04:26 PM	#85
jekylljuice Executive Weasel Ball jekylljuice was here. Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: the 44th floor (not counting the mezzanine) Posts: 1,568	Red, in my opinion, is a pretty good illustration of how a child’s subconscious desires can influence the personality of their imaginary friends. We know from Terrence’s penchant for soap operas that he does have at least an inkling of a soft and sensitive side deep down, and it’s perfectly possible that Red, in many ways, is an embodiment of that. That he ultimately found more sympathy in his supposed enemy Bloo than in his creator is what sealed his loyalties. It also seems to me that Red does have a mean and violent side of his own but he'll only use it for defensive purposes and when pushed too far, as he finally demonstrated with Terrence. You could argue really that Red inherited a lot from his creator, but that he just channelled these personality traits in completely different ways. To be honest, Berry’s background isn’t really something I’ve thought about too extensively myself (and it wouldn‘t necessarily have had to involve anything terribly shocking or dramatic like physical abuse to have made her who she was, just what kind of influences she received throughout life), but I can’t really blame her fans for wanting to speculate on the matter, even if it goes beyond what the writers have implied and intended. When you like or take an interest in a particular character, especially one with rather vague background details, you do kind of instinctively want to know more and to get thinking of the possibilities. It's only natural. __________________ That's it, The End, But you'll get over it, My Friend. Last edited by jekylljuice; 06-28-2007 at 04:34 PM.

07-16-2007, 05:50 AM	#86
FeDeReR Newly Abandoned Foster's city! Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Foster's city! Posts: 35	berry what do you think about her? __________________ DJ Bloo Last edited by Cassini90125; 07-16-2007 at 08:06 AM. Reason: Merged threads. 2nd one this morning.

07-16-2007, 07:02 AM	#87
Little Baby IceCream Settling In I think I'll call you Chewy Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Neptune Posts: 99	I like Berry! She's kind of like me. I can be sweet when I want to be, but also have an attitude when I want to have one. ~Little Baby IceCream~ __________________

07-16-2007, 07:18 AM	#88
ptps At Home Best Friends Forever Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Singapore Posts: 199	You... obviously didn't go through the forum FAQ. Did you, Fed. Also: http://www.fosters-home.com/forum/showthread.php?t=135 __________________ PTPS's Foster's Rakugaki Join the Foster's ART JAM! Last edited by ptps; 07-16-2007 at 07:19 AM.

09-14-2007, 07:16 PM	#90
The Huntsman Settling In Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: West Virginia Posts: 95	So, our vinaceous little vixen returned, and she was as venomous as ever. I had been calling for Berry to return since right after Berry Scary, and I am quite pleased with how she was handled. I still believe that Berry is a victim of her own existence, as even if she was created with all of her problems, such is the fault of her creator. Still, she had quite an impressive plan in the recent episode she appeared in. She invaded a home, kidnapped and imprisoned its owners for several weeks, masqueraded as a human, and then attempted to murder Mac. She has a hell of a lot of resolve and I admire her wickedness. The one thing I found a bit odd was how “Barry” and Bloo merely played games and had fun. I know it was all a part of Berry’s plan, but I don’t think she would have the patience, and if the object of her desire was constantly within her grasp, one would think she would try to do something other than just play games with him. Still, at least she did manage to spend time with Bloo; he didn’t know who she was, as usual, but I still think Berry and Bloo make a cute couple, just like Frankie said in Berry Scary.