Goofball John Magee

[Cassini90125]

Originally Posted by Jabberwocky

Did she specify?

It is an accepted principle of argument that the burden of proof is on the positive. Goofball is the one making a positive assertion, that being that he IS an Imaginary Friend; it is up to him to prove it. What happened to Frankie in that unbearable episode rests squarely on his sorry shoulders.

[Jabberwocky]

Originally Posted by Cassini90125

It is an accepted principle of argument that the burden of proof is on the positive. Goofball is the one making a positive assertion, that being that he IS an Imaginary Friend; it is up to him to prove it. What happened to Frankie in that unbearable episode rests squarely on his sorry shoulders.

He could have been ridiculously naive but whatever, I don't like him enough to defend him anymore.

[Voxxyn]

Brought it on herself?!?

Frankie works her dang rear off EVERY SINGLE DAY; she is the HEART of Foster's. It's because of HER that Foster's runs smoothly instead of being in chaos. She did not at all deserve what Goofball did to her.

If you dislike her, fine. But reading that she "brought missing the concert and scrubbing the floors on herself by dressing up as an imaginary friend" made my blood boil.

[Jabberwocky]

Woah, woah, holy comma on a drama llama. I never said she deserved it, I said she missed the concert because she was pretending to be an imaginary friend. She didn't deserve the consequences, but it was her mistake. I also never said I dislike her, I said I don't like her, meaning I don't care for her either way, to illustrate the fact that I'm biased because I had no emotion invested into what was going on. I thought it was funny the first time I watched it.

Man, this topic is scary.

[Cassini90125]

Guys, I understand that emotions ride very high on this subject, but let's watch the language, okay?

[Nathander]

Originally Posted by Voxxyn

Nathander, from a logical point of view, you are absolutely right. But it doesn't change my hatred of the episode and Goofball, nor does it make me feel any better knowing that the Foster's crew actually thought it would be funny and that Cartoon Network even broadcast it in the first place. Maybe I'm wrong about feeling it was a purposeful attack, but the episode does too much of a good job on making me feel like it was. Frankie's supermarket woes didn't really have anything to do with the actual storyline of a human disguising himself as an IF, yet there it is anyway. And I still don't get what was supposed to be so funny about Frankie being denied from going to the concert, despite all the extra work she did throughout the entire episode, just so that she can do EVEN MORE WORK.

I'm sorry, but it's not so easy to just forget about this episode and what it did.

And you're more than entitled to those feelings. I'm not saying "don't be angry"; really, I was just saying "I'm not angry", though that's not entirely true as, again, I'm a Frankie fan and it hurt to see what she was going through. But the fact is, I have a hard time really worrying about it; I'm sure Frankie was hurt at the time but has moved on. Does that mean it was acceptable? Not in the least. And I can't blame you in any way for refusing to really forgive for the episode; in a lot of ways, I feel the same (as you can probably tell) about "I Only Have Surprise for You".

Originally Posted by Mr. Marshmallow

Frankie doesn't deserve that kind of treatment for all she's done, Bloo to an extent does. Sorry Bloo fans, but Bloo has done some pretty bad things himself and his selfishness has offended me and Mac plenty of times. In a way, Bloo had some of it coming. He's no devil but he's no angel either.

Absolutely. While I was no fan of "Bendy", I had less of a problem with how badly Bendy messed with Bloo then I did with Goofball messing (if he indeed was and wasn't just a moron who was accidentally malicious, which is what I think he was) with Frankie. Whereas Bloo has done plenty to get messed over once in awhile to set the karmic balance straight, Frankie hasn't done anything to deserve such a thing. Not a blooming thing.

But hey, that's life. There are lots of occasions were good people get screwed and bad don't. That doesn't make the situation any more acceptable, though.

Really, in my mind, the only good thing that came out of the episode was seeing Frankie with the clown nose on at the end. That was adorable.

On another note, I get the impression that Goofball, for the most part, really is dumb as a sack of potatoes that've been smashed with a jackhammer. He lives in another country, for Pete's sakes! I don't remember if they explained it in the episode because it's been so long since I've seen it, but if anyone can tell me how he did it, just how in the hell did he get down to Foster's?

[kageri]

Originally Posted by Nathander

Really, you can describe Goofball in three words:

Big Fat Jerkface.

In all honesty, while I don't despise the character, I have no real love for him either. For the most part, I agree with Kzinistzerg in the fact that he was just mooching and not actually actively attempting to hurt Frankie, despite the fact that that's what occured.

Yet at the same time, I think people take way, way, way to much offense at the character and the episode he was in. Don't get me wrong by any means, Frankie fans; I'm a Frankie fan also, though not to the point where I'm a fanboy. And yes, she was treated very poorly and there was nothing in the episode that was actually entertaining and seemed primarily as a "dump on Frankie" episode, which is why I hated it so much. But whether there was actual malice intended in this episode, or if it was merely intended to make us sympathetic towards Frankie, is beyond me (or if the crew just made a blunder and released an episode that attacked a character with one of the highest fanbases), though I honestly don't there was intended ill will. In my mind, it wasn't so much an attack on Frankie as much as it was actually showing the viewer what she pretty much has to do day in, day out and giving a clearer picture as to what she has to go through. And while Goofball was a jerk, I don't think he was a malicious jerk; he was kind of like Bloo in the regard that he did things without thinking what kind of repercussions they might have. Not that he was anywhere near as good a character or entertaining, mind you.

Was Goofball a jerk? Yes. Was Goofball intentionally trying to hurt Frankie? Probably not. Did Frankie deserve what she went through? No. Is this event in her life even worth remembering?

No.

Again, I'm not trying to dumb down what Frankie went through; it was undeniably harsh, and that was the main reason I hated that episode. But at the same time, I heavily doubt the events in this episode will come back to haunt her, or at least bother her for years, if even months. This is due mainly to the fact that Goofball is gone, and hopefully we'll never see the little jerk again. He gave her quite a lashing, but he's no longer there to constantly remind her of it. Quite different from the case of a little eight year old boy who was embarrassed in front of all his friends, by all of his friends, who had made him go through an unnecessary guilt trip so he'd make a fool out of himself. And this was under the guise of what his best friend considered a birthday party. (Please GOD don't flame me. Like I said, Frankie's lashing was unbelievably harsh, but I still say Mac's in "IOHSFY" was even more so).

Anyway, to conclude:

Goofball was a jerk, but not enough of a jerk to be worth remembering or worrying over.

I agree completely. I love Frankie, and she didn't deserve that kind of treatment, but she's not one to brood over it. She'll probably never give him a second thought.

Originally Posted by Nathander

I don't remember if they explained it in the episode because it's been so long since I've seen it, but if anyone can tell me how he did it, just how in the hell did he get down to Foster's?

Maybe Foster's is the only establishment of its kind. Eurotrish?

[Nathander]

Originally Posted by kageri

Maybe Foster's is the only establishment of its kind. Eurotrish?

True, and it would seem that it most likely is the only one of its kind. However, Eurotrish was actually given up for adoption; Goofball somehow managed to get down there on his own, which means he somehow left the country on his own and wandered there. While we don't know how close the state Foster's is located is to the border, it still doesn't change the fact that this idiot was able to get across the border by himself. At least, I'm assuming it was by himself, considering the fact that his family said they drove down from Canada to get him.

While I guess it's not entirely unfeasible that Goofball was stupid enough to just wander down there, I'd still like to know how he, you know, got through the border security located between Canada and the USA, presumably without a passport.

[Cassini90125]

The border with Canada used to be virtually unpatrolled, although that's probably no longer the case.

[Nathander]

Maybe not patrolled, but I'd expect you would've still had to have had a passport in order to get through, seeing as how you're entering into another country.