Frankie

[kageri]

Originally Posted by billytheskink

speaking of which, she needs to get her lisence renewed by January 9.

I'm sure Bloo will remind her. And make her let him tag along.

[Mr. Marshmallow]

My point was that simply due to the fact of her age, it seemed to me more likely that she wasn't able to get enough done at Foster's while she was going through high school and that. Now that she is an adult, she seems able to devote more time to it.

I'm not saying it's unthinkable, but it does seem a bit strange and just looking at Frankie, and this is by no way an insult, I just can't fit colleage graduate with her. But I think this is being way too overthought considering that it's obvious the show isn't gonna go to deep into this kind of material.

We only have loose bits and words that indicate what her education life or expierence is, and that's not enough to fully say she's this or that.

[billytheskink]

Mr. M, I'm curious as to your interpretation of the line "Wow, I heard that's a really tough major, I'm impressed. So, what do you do now that you've graduated?"

[Medikor]

Originally Posted by pitbulllady

Would you mind telling us exactly what IS "the college type"? I have two degrees, like I've said, yet I did very little drinking in college(REALLY), I had no interest whatsoever in pledging a sororiety, I came home to my family on most weekends, and I actually made very good grades-3.8 GPA.

pitbulllady

I'm sorry if I offended you, Pitbully. What I meant by "collage type" was that Frankie just dosant look like she would want to be Donald Trump-like. I doubt Frankie would want to get involved with a sororety and drink (she's better then that). When I think of people who take collage seriously, I think of people who will be very sucsesful and get one of those jobs where you wear a suit all the time (nothing wrong with that).
But I guess not everyone goes to collage to get that kind of life-style. I just never really knew anyone who went and I'm just ignorant about the subject. I'm really sorry. I hope I didant offend any of you.

[Mr. Marshmallow]

Originally Posted by billytheskink

Mr. M, I'm curious as to your interpretation of the line "Wow, I heard that's a really tough major, I'm impressed. So, what do you do now that you've graduated?"

I'm just saying it just seems odd to me that she'd finish at that age. Not impossible just odd, and it doesn't say what she graduated from.

I'm not saying he';s referring to high school I'm just saying, to me, she doesn't look it is all.

[pitbulllady]

Originally Posted by Medikor

I'm sorry if I offended you, Pitbully. What I meant by "collage type" was that Frankie just dosant look like she would want to be Donald Trump-like. I doubt Frankie would want to get involved with a sororety and drink (she's better then that). When I think of people who take collage seriously, I think of people who will be very sucsesful and get one of those jobs where you wear a suit all the time (nothing wrong with that).
But I guess not everyone goes to collage to get that kind of life-style. I just never really knew anyone who went and I'm just ignorant about the subject. I'm really sorry. I hope I didant offend any of you.

MOST people who are in college are actually the exact OPPOSITE of Donald Trump(did he even go to college? I know Bill Gates didn't.). Most-at least for the first couple of years-are there to celebrate being away from their parents and to PART-TAY! Yeah, there's the usual share of geeks, and preppies, but most are just kids. You didn't offend me at all, but I thought I needed to set the record straight about "college types", since I've been one, and known many. College is when most kids really "let their hair down", so to speak. The only ones you'll see wearing suits at most colleges and universities in the US are professors, and most of THEM don't(seriously, college profs tend to be some REALLY strange people), unless you're at a religious college, one operated by a large Fundamentalist church.

pitbulllady

[Voxxyn]

(I apologize for veering into a completely different matter than the one discussed in the last handful of posts, but this is something I really have to get off of me for the sake of my sanity.)

You guys know how much I love Frankie. I do my best to express that love and passion for her in as civilized and decent way possible, but sometimes I'll go a little over-the-top. A month ago, I REALLY lost it for a brief period when discussing the Mattel toys, which evolved into an incredibly irrational post here worrying that her role would be diminished. That was actually somewhat of my personal reaction to the constant citation by fans of the so-called "Foster's 5"(Mac, Bloo, Wilt, Eduardo and Coco), which gave the vibe that Frankie was meaningless by comparison. To be honest, though, that doesn't the case at all; Frankie actually has had a pretty large role as of late, and it seems she will continue to do so for now. (I'm starting to think it's MR. HERRIMAN who's been getting a lil' shafted lately, but that's another issue entirely which I'll leave for another time).

I'm quite happy about that... and depending on the nature in which she's handled for her next major roles, it might or might not do something about the fact that I still feel depressed and hurt about what happened to her in "Imposter's Home For, Um... Make 'Em Up Pals".

For months, my affair with that episode has had two sides. On some days, I'm able to joke about it in a lighthearted way, like using the term "The Episode That Shall Not Be Named" or joking about Frankie having to explain her experience with Goofball to her parents... and then on other days, my hatred of it would run high, the perfect example being my streak of heated posts on Goofball's own thread. I've tried my best to make sure the former side triumphs over the latter. I've done everything I could to just get over that episode and move on.

Sigh.

I can't. Instead, I will be simple and blunt. I ABSOLUTELY FREAKING HATE THAT EPISODE, AND CONSIDER IT AN ABSOLUTE DISGRACE TO FOSTER'S AND AN OUT-AND-OUT INSULT TO FRANKIE.

I've seen all the attempts to defend and justify that episode's existence. I admire that there are some who actually enjoyed it, but NONE of these have done anything to make me accept it. In fact, some of these have succeeded in making me feel even worse. Lauren Faust's defense on ToonZone makes sense, from a logical viewpoint. But from my personal emotional level, the very one that is deeply sympathetic to Frankie and was wounded by the events of the episode, well... I got the feeling that Mrs. Faust completely failed to grasp just how far they crossed the line. And that, quite frankly, only hurt me even more. And then there's the rationale of some that Frankie "deserved to miss her concert", which with all due respect, is ABSOLUTE CRAP. AND I'm also insulted by those who brag about how they "aren't pandering to fans", in retrospect of "The Big Cheese", an episode that only seems to exist because of peer pressure from Cheese's popularity... and, go figure, it also gave Frankie a tough time(Nowhere near as "Imposter's", of course; but I probably would've hated it as much if it ended when the news team arrived and thus left her on a bad note).

Even the most casual referrence to the episode feels like a stab to the heart. Mr. Marshmellow mentioned how Frankie dressed up as an imaginary friend in the cartoon crushes thread. Over at IMDb, Pitbulllady cited Frankie's grocery woes as being funny because it's "been there done that". Both of these posts angered and depressed me, solely because it was a reminder of the episode that I was desperately trying to forget. The latter is ESPECIALLY upsetting, because while the grocery bit on it's own could've been somewhat funny on it's own, the sum of what happens to Frankie in that episode is definitely not.

In fact, and as pathetic as this might sound; I've become a little traumatized by the episode. I can't think of biology or laboratory experiments without being reminded that such is how Frankie's whole ordeal began. I can't go into a grocery store anymore without thinking about how she was sent to re-purchase the groceries because Bloo and Goofball ate everything. And I will never be able to attend a concert without feeling deeply guilty over how Frankie had to miss hers. It's gotten THAT bad for me.

I guess what I'm trying to say is this: I hope the writers never do such an episode again. Never. I appreciate that they're as capable of affecting us on a deep emotional level as much as they are of making us laugh... but even by that standard, "Imposter's" was simply too much. I don't think I could ever handle another one like it.

I'm looking forward to seeing Frankie in "Emancipation Complication", as well as "Good Wilt Hunting". And I sincerely hope that whatever Frankie-related surprises Season 5 has in store for us will be of the good kind.

[Mr. Marshmallow]

Originally Posted by Voxxyn

Even the most casual referrence to the episode feels like a stab to the heart. Mr. Marshmellow mentioned how Frankie dressed up as an imaginary friend in the cartoon crushes thread.

The cartoon remark was simply to add to the point that cartoon characters can act differently, as in, not who they are. The point was simply to add to the fact that Frankie was trying to be something she was not, this wasn't an insult to her.

Out of anyone on this board, you know I don't harbor any remotely possible negative feelings or comments to Frankie. I understand your frustration and feelings towards the episode, believe me, there are episodes on other shows that i feel exactly the same way.

But please don't feel bad if someone mentions the episode unless someone is using it to harm someone or something from the show, like you said with the grocery bit. I didn't mention the dressing up thing as a jab, it was simply a reference to the topic at hand.

If you hate the episode then that's fine, but I would suggest relaxing a bit if any mentioning of it does come up. The episode DID happen, it DOES exist, and nothing you say or do will change that. I simply suggest you try to calm the biological loathing for the episode.

You love Frankie like many of us do, and hating a Frankie bashing episode is perfectly understandable. But lashing out at any possible reference to it is a bit much, just cool off and don't focus so much of your energy towards hating an episode every time it's brought up.

[Medikor]

Don't worry, Vox. Frankie pulled through that ordeal well enough. I'm sure we're going to get a "Frankie appreciation" episode sooner or later. And If you think about it, Bloo had a really tough episode with "The Sweet Stench of Success" too. And "Good Wilt Hunting" looks like Wilt is going to have a really uninjoyable time before the episodes expected happy ending.
If it helps, I find that these episodes are meant to show the characters in a very vulnerable and state that we can all relate to. And it certainly helps make us love our favorite characters even more because of it. These episodes help shape and solidify the characters in a way that we could all learn from, and is to not dwell on the negatives and focus on the bright side. I could make some examples of how IHFMUP's could be considerd a learning experiance for Frankie, but that can wait for another time.
I don't think Mrs. Faust meant any malice against Frankie or her fans at all. I think she just didant relize how wonderful of a character that she made that we all have fallen in love with so much that it breaks our hearts to see her have to suffer in the slightest.
I love Frankie as much as you do, Vox and I get a very warm and fuzzy feeling everytime I think of her. I guess I'm just trying to say that we don't like the episode because of how it treats Frankie, but for some reason or another that you may have overlooked. You don't have to like the episode, it's you're choice and right to hate it with a passion. In fact, you have my full support in hateing the episode with you're entire being.
PS- Pitbully, thanks for the enlightenment regarding the mindset of collage-goers. I'm just glad I didant hurt you're, or anyone else's feelings.

[billytheskink]

Originally Posted by Mr. Marshmallow

I'm just saying it just seems odd to me that she'd finish at that age. Not impossible just odd, and it doesn't say what she graduated from.

I'm not saying he';s referring to high school I'm just saying, to me, she doesn't look it is all.

I don't see college folks as having a particular "look". Most college kids I know (and I know many) are pretty unique and many will graduate at or before age 22. And now I'm realizing that I'm pretty much paraphrasing what Pitbulllady already said.
I think Frankie's age (22) combined with the term "major" and the implication that her graduation was recent are strong arguments that she's been written as a college graduate.

Donald Trump graduated from Wharton College at the University of Pennsylvania, by the way. Tough school, or so I've heard.