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montitech · 01-25-2007, 10:45 AM

After watching the Goofball episode last night I have to say I completely disagree with the Frankie Fans gripe.

While reading through their complains against Goofball over the past few months I was starting to sympathize with them. But after viewing the episode again I cannot see anything horrible happening here.

I thought most of the friends were treating Frankie poorly in this episode. From Bloo?s typical annoying behavior, to Mr H expectations of Frankies servitude. But this behavior has never been unusual. This episode just put a spotlight on the grime that Frankie has to deal with daily. The toils that Frankie went through in this episode really were not worst than her toils in the episode ?Busted? The primary difference was in Busted it focused on the gang trying to repair the Vase and the disaster they left behind was not in the spotlight. While here the episode focused was on Frankie and the grime that she has to deal with on a daily basis. If it isn?t Mr H bossing her around (instead of doing something himself) it was the annoying lady at the grocery store.

I would have to agree that it was a Murphy?s Law Day for Frankie. She even picked the Cart with the Bad wheel. But I did not see anything horrid here, bust funny. I suggest not hating Goofball, but look at the episode as a Bad day and see if you can find any humor some of the situations Frankie found herself in. in Fact Ignore GoofBall completely and look at the rest of the episode, because really Goofball was only about Half of the episode, but there was a lot more there then just goofball.

I guess this is one of those episodes that goes the wrong way with some people becasue they cannot relate to the Humor. but I myself find the episode to be a lot of fun, and I enjoyed seeing the Slacker Goofball and his unsucessful trials to get home.

Once again I hope I do not offend anyone,
Monty

Voxxyn · 01-25-2007, 11:32 AM

I refuse to see the "humor" and "entertainment" of what the episode did to Frankie. The notion of even attempting to enjoy this malicious disgrace is endlessly offensive and revolting to me. The entire house being ignorant to the suffering of the very person who takes care of them only makes things even WORSE and more hurtful.

This episode is very different from "Busted" and all the other ones that involve Frankie enduring some kind of hardship. The gang's attempts to repair the bust weren't cruel in the slightest; it was an ordinary work day for Frankie; she gets some payback at the end, and since it was one of the series' earliest episodes, it was necessary to show viewers the nature of Frankie's job(as well as her antagonistic relationship with Herriman). Goofball was a reckless and malicious jerk; on what was supposed to be Frankie's night off as reward for all her hard work; who gets absolutely no payback for her suffering; and was one of the two Season 3 episodes(the other being FGTE) that came dangerously close to ruining the show thanks to their unwarranted cruelty towards sympathetic characters.

IHFUMEUP didn't really "establish" the nature of Frankie's job, because it was already long established. All it was was a vicious kick in the face to Frankie and her fans.

Jabberwocky · 01-25-2007, 11:37 AM

I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry at this thread anymore.

kageri · 01-25-2007, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Jabberwocky

I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry at this thread anymore.

Me neither. Look, guys... Frankie had a hard time in this episode. We know. We know she did. Really. But the fact is that this episode had nothing to do with her fans. They weren't thinking about her fans. It wasn't a "kick in the face". It's over. There won't be another. Goofball isn't coming back. You don't have to watch it. I know some of you probably find that suggestion horrifyingly repulsive and saddening and so on, but it's true. Please. If you dislike the episode so much, don't give it attention (three hundred-something posts about it) that it doesn't deserve.

And I watched it yesterday and found Goofball's semi-compliment to Frankie and her smile at him to be at least a half-happy ending. I'm sure everyone disagrees, but I'm basing this opinion on what Frankie felt at the end, which probably was relief that it's over and will be for the rest of eternity.

One Radical Dude · 01-25-2007, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by kageri

Me neither. Look, guys... Frankie had a hard time in this episode. We know. We know she did. Really. But the fact is that this episode had nothing to do with her fans. They weren't thinking about her fans. It wasn't a "kick in the face". It's over. There won't be another. Goofball isn't coming back. You don't have to watch it. I know some of you probably find that suggestion horrifyingly repulsive and saddening and so on, but it's true. Please. If you dislike the episode so much, don't give it attention (three hundred-something posts about it) that it doesn't deserve.

And I watched it yesterday and found Goofball's semi-compliment to Frankie and her smile at him to be at least a half-happy ending. I'm sure everyone disagrees, but I'm basing this opinion on what Frankie felt at the end, which probably was relief that it's over and will be for the rest of eternity.

Well said.

koosie · 01-25-2007, 12:29 PM

Yes let's put an end to this hateful dwelling in the past. Forgiving Goofball isn't about letting him off for being jerk but letting yourself free of all that unpleasantness.

As for the creators of this show, I hope no-one influences them in the content of the show. I trust them not to bring any characters I love to serious harm, my job is to sit and watch it. Or sometimes lay down or stand up. Maybe I'll be leaning on something. That's not really important...er...that's it.

Cassini90125 · 01-25-2007, 12:52 PM

I invite all of you to rewatch the part where Frankie is scrubbing the floors while everybody else is at the concert. It hurt, and it hurt bad. I find nothing humorous about the episode in general and that scene in particular. And to those who claim it wasn't that bad, well, to some of us it most certainly was that bad, otherwise this thread wouldn't be almost 400 posts long.

JPPT1974 · 01-25-2007, 12:59 PM

Do you think that Goofball is just naive
And didn't know any better?
Or just Bloo was trying to get Goofball
To just give Frankie a hard time?
You know come to think of it, it could had been
Bloo telling Goofball just to do those things in order
To humilate Frankie!

Howard · 01-25-2007, 01:07 PM

Being a Frankie fan, I hated to see her get hurt like that (whether through ignorance, or malice), but there is nothing more I can really say for this thread, that has already been said.

koosie · 01-25-2007, 01:30 PM

Good then let's let it go. We're all agreed Frankie had a doubleplusbad time. You ever seen Pagliacci? There's a character who has a bad time too. No-one should be held responsible for the way YOU feel about something and you make it worse by dredging it up.In waters that are turbulent and muddy there is no clarity!

Or to put it another way. How do you think Frankie would want you to feel about it?

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01-25-2007, 12:29 PM	#396
koosie Moon-Calf It was just imagination Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Northern Britain Posts: 695	Yes let's put an end to this hateful dwelling in the past. Forgiving Goofball isn't about letting him off for being jerk but letting yourself free of all that unpleasantness. As for the creators of this show, I hope no-one influences them in the content of the show. I trust them not to bring any characters I love to serious harm, my job is to sit and watch it. Or sometimes lay down or stand up. Maybe I'll be leaning on something. That's not really important...er...that's it. __________________ Aw....Snicket

01-25-2007, 12:52 PM	#397
Cassini90125 The Postmaster Love gives you courage that's stronger than anything! Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Saturn Posts: 6,645	I invite all of you to rewatch the part where Frankie is scrubbing the floors while everybody else is at the concert. It hurt, and it hurt bad. I find nothing humorous about the episode in general and that scene in particular. And to those who claim it wasn't that bad, well, to some of us it most certainly was that bad, otherwise this thread wouldn't be almost 400 posts long. __________________ "Frankie! That weird kid is using a flower pot for a cup!" Sailor Moon. Best Anime EVER. Last edited by Cassini90125; 01-25-2007 at 12:53 PM.

01-25-2007, 01:07 PM	#399
Howard Desert Rat Only the best! Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: AZ desert Posts: 1,356	Being a Frankie fan, I hated to see her get hurt like that (whether through ignorance, or malice), but there is nothing more I can really say for this thread, that has already been said. Last edited by Howard; 01-25-2007 at 02:10 PM.

01-25-2007, 01:30 PM	#400
koosie Moon-Calf It was just imagination Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Northern Britain Posts: 695	Good then let's let it go. We're all agreed Frankie had a doubleplusbad time. You ever seen Pagliacci? There's a character who has a bad time too. No-one should be held responsible for the way YOU feel about something and you make it worse by dredging it up.In waters that are turbulent and muddy there is no clarity! Or to put it another way. How do you think Frankie would want you to feel about it? __________________ Aw....Snicket

01-25-2007, 10:45 AM	#391
montitech Foster's Legend Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: ny Posts: 752	After watching the Goofball episode last night I have to say I completely disagree with the Frankie Fans gripe. While reading through their complains against Goofball over the past few months I was starting to sympathize with them. But after viewing the episode again I cannot see anything horrible happening here. I thought most of the friends were treating Frankie poorly in this episode. From Bloo?s typical annoying behavior, to Mr H expectations of Frankies servitude. But this behavior has never been unusual. This episode just put a spotlight on the grime that Frankie has to deal with daily. The toils that Frankie went through in this episode really were not worst than her toils in the episode ?Busted? The primary difference was in Busted it focused on the gang trying to repair the Vase and the disaster they left behind was not in the spotlight. While here the episode focused was on Frankie and the grime that she has to deal with on a daily basis. If it isn?t Mr H bossing her around (instead of doing something himself) it was the annoying lady at the grocery store. I would have to agree that it was a Murphy?s Law Day for Frankie. She even picked the Cart with the Bad wheel. But I did not see anything horrid here, bust funny. I suggest not hating Goofball, but look at the episode as a Bad day and see if you can find any humor some of the situations Frankie found herself in. in Fact Ignore GoofBall completely and look at the rest of the episode, because really Goofball was only about Half of the episode, but there was a lot more there then just goofball. I guess this is one of those episodes that goes the wrong way with some people becasue they cannot relate to the Humor. but I myself find the episode to be a lot of fun, and I enjoyed seeing the Slacker Goofball and his unsucessful trials to get home. Once again I hope I do not offend anyone, Monty

01-25-2007, 11:32 AM	#392
Voxxyn Banned Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Zebes Posts: 1,069	I refuse to see the "humor" and "entertainment" of what the episode did to Frankie. The notion of even attempting to enjoy this malicious disgrace is endlessly offensive and revolting to me. The entire house being ignorant to the suffering of the very person who takes care of them only makes things even WORSE and more hurtful. This episode is very different from "Busted" and all the other ones that involve Frankie enduring some kind of hardship. The gang's attempts to repair the bust weren't cruel in the slightest; it was an ordinary work day for Frankie; she gets some payback at the end, and since it was one of the series' earliest episodes, it was necessary to show viewers the nature of Frankie's job(as well as her antagonistic relationship with Herriman). Goofball was a reckless and malicious jerk; on what was supposed to be Frankie's night off as reward for all her hard work; who gets absolutely no payback for her suffering; and was one of the two Season 3 episodes(the other being FGTE) that came dangerously close to ruining the show thanks to their unwarranted cruelty towards sympathetic characters. IHFUMEUP didn't really "establish" the nature of Frankie's job, because it was already long established. All it was was a vicious kick in the face to Frankie and her fans.

01-25-2007, 11:37 AM	#393
Jabberwocky Permanent Resident I could be violet sky! Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: High in the middle, round on the ends. Posts: 253	I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry at this thread anymore.

01-25-2007, 12:59 PM	#398
JPPT1974 Winter Wonderland Cheese Fan Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Seymour TN Posts: 11	Do you think that Goofball is just naive And didn't know any better? Or just Bloo was trying to get Goofball To just give Frankie a hard time? You know come to think of it, it could had been Bloo telling Goofball just to do those things in order To humilate Frankie!