Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles

[Pawbah]

Originally Posted by Mr. Marshmallow

I think we ALL do or if not all, majority. The new show to me is kind of crap. The only thing I liked what they did with the show was Shredder's new look and the semi-interesting future show "Fast Forward".

Which I only really watch for the Cody/Starlee issue but that's a whole nother story all together. Btw, sweet picture there Nyo looks like it's from the Turtles in Time video game, an AWESOME game.

Since this topic was brought up I might as well mention this, supposedly TMNT did very well far as the box office goes. It's international success earned it some pretty big brownie points for WB and the director says there's 70% of a sequel happening.

No word on what it's going to be about other then the suggested ideas the director mentioned. But word of mouth is (both fan wise and official wise) say that the Shredder is going to return.

YES! RETURN OF THE SHREDDER!! I would definetly go see that movie.
Too bad Mako won't be doing the voice of splinter again.

[Partymember]

Originally Posted by Pawbah

YES! RETURN OF THE SHREDDER!! I would definetly go see that movie.
Too bad Mako won't be doing the voice of splinter again.

Mako from Conan? He was funny Did he die?

[AerostarMonk]

I'm with emperor26 on this one, I much prefer the '03 series to the '80s series. And Fast Forward really was just a shell, no pun intended, of that series' full glory. It seemed that this group of writers actually knew how to balance the dramatic weight with comedy. Plus, I can really get behind any American toon that can pull of series-wide continuity, rather than the usual reset except for a two-parter mentality that you usually get.

But Mr. M is correct, it's a definite minority when it comes to the amount of people who prefer the '03 series.

[Mr. Marshmallow]

The 80s series no doubt was more comedic and goofy but, it's something many people grew up with and whether something is bad or good or cheesy, the fact it is apart of your childhood always makes a big ass difference when it comes to liking a TV show.

Like Power Rangers for example. Yes the dubbing was off, the kids dressed weird (color costume accordingly), and at times they gave us cheesy lessons. But o n the plus side they gave us great action, incredible monster fight scenes, and kick ass theme music with giant robots and a skinless bad guy on prime time TV.

Power Rangers like the 80s Turtles both have their camp to them, but it is apart of my childhood and I'll love it no matter how Shredder was depicted. I also especially loved the wide cast of VERY colorful variety of mutant bad guys and good guys the show did. I also think the 80s drawing had more detail to it.

The new show has a more smooth, rough free look to it. Where as what I loved about the 80s is they detailed the characters down to the smallest nick nack on their outfits. From the bullets on Rocksteady's shirt straps, to wrinkles and veins on Krang's body. I have never seen such detailing before.

Only one other show I grew up with had that much detail and that was the classic (but mostly forgotten) Bucky O'Hare cartoon series.

[One Radical Dude]

Originally Posted by Partymember

Mako from Conan? He was funny Did he die?

He passed away last July of esophageal cancer.

[Partymember]

Originally Posted by One Radical Dude

He passed away last July of esophageal cancer.

awww dude

"i'm a wizard, mind you!"

love that movie. good actor.

[AerostarMonk]

Nostalgia alone is not enough to sway my opinion on the merits of animated television. I'm going to have to go with quality.

As for the detail, of course a lot was sacrificed for both fluidity of motion and to cut costs. I'm reminded of the skyrocketing costs on some of the old Jeff Kline produced shows from Sony, namely Men In Black: The Series, Godzilla: The Series and Extreme Ghostbusters, all fine shows of course, but it would crazy to not realize that the animation ran the team ragged and that money cut one of the shows short. Lower overhead means longer lasting show, which unfortunately often times means sacrificing detail. But as long as the story and voice acting are top notch, and the animation is well above stick figure madness than I'm game. Not that I'm against a well-written stick figure animated show, it's just that Sticking Around 2: Ninja Turtles, a production by Nelvana, doesn't apeal to me.

Alas, it really doesn't matter anymore. The '03 series is all but wrapped up. The new and official continuity of the Turtles in moving pictures is of course the current film. Which I guess is great, because we don't really need three separate worlds in continuation in so short a time.

[Mr. Marshmallow]

Nostalgia value though to me is worth my attention any time of day, nothing can replace my childhood memories, nothing. And even though I do like alot of modern shows like Fosters and JL: Unlimited, they will never be held on as high a pedestal as shows like the old TMNT, Darkwing, Bucky O'Hare etc.

One thing that I was always happy to be free of is comic book "authentcity", to me that means nothing, it really doesn't matter to me. I really don't care how much or how little Turtles, Teen Titans, or Batman or anyone was like their comic book counterparts, it just means nothing to me. I mean it might be interesting once in a while to know it, but I won't lose sleep over it if they don't be accurate.

Like in Teen Titans when their final season (5) came up, the big fuss was seeing the comic book oldie super heroes Doom Patrol brought on screen. They were BORING! I don't care how close they looked or acted like the comic book Doom Patrol, there was seriously nothing really amazing about them.

The only time I ever get upset with "changes" done to a character is when they do a complete overhaul and end up having no tie in to the original character only by namesake, or just change one REALLY drastic thing like making Shredder an alien instead of human. That gets my goat awful bad.

But other then that, comic book authenticity or tie ins or anything like that really doesn't mean alot to me. I watch comic book shows and movies the same way I watch regular shows and movies: If I am entertained, that's all that matters to me. Being closer to the book or comic doesn't mean it's going to make me love it more, whether it's enjoyable to watch will make me love it more (or less).

[AerostarMonk]

Nostalgia gets me nowhere. All it makes me do is wonder how I could like such crap when I was younger. Now I can't call the old TMNT crap, because I haven't laid eyes on the series since the 10th season wrapped up. What I can glean from my memory serves to verify, for me anyway, that the '03 series was superior in plot construction, voice acting and overall execution.

As for staying true to comics, there's a certain line that you do not cross. That line is the one between keeping the spirit of the source material, or just throwing out a name that may be familiar so you have some sort of launching pad. All the things you've named above have stayed on the good side of that line. However the level at which they can be enjoyed varies from product to product. I'm not even going to go into the many things that have crossed this line. Oh yeah, the Doom Patrol ruled in Teen Titans. It actually made me more interested in Pre-Crisis DC than I had been before. Besides they're getting a movie of their own soon, though not with that line-up, and it was a great way to test them out with fans and general audiences.

Like I had said before, Shredder being an alien has never bothered me a bit. A bit of a backstory change, but overall, he retains his persona as a ruthless enemy and a cunning intellect. Was it a change I would've done? No. But it's also not a change I disapprove of.

[Mr. Marshmallow]

Any change that results in either a gender or species change is quite a BIG change. The Doom Patrol in Titans were shallow cardboards. All it did was waste Judge Reinhold's talent in a few lines, made Mento look like a jack ass, and proved to me that just because it's from a comic, doesn't mean it's going to be entertaining to watch.

No matter what source material Turtles or anyone draws from, if I am not entertained it could be a carbon copy of the character from A to Z, still wouldn't mean I found it "fun". Turtles may have been a goofy kids show in the 80s but considering people who saw it WERE kids, it's hard not to see why they did it at the time.

Kiddie shows I used to watch don't seem silly to me at all because I knew at that place in time that is what I wanted to watch. I didn't even appreciate Rita and Runt from Animaniacs until I saw them at my current age, back then I scoffed them off. So naturally something like 80s Turtles would seem amusing to a kid because it was made for kids.

Shredder may have been a bit comical, but he was still a villain and a villain I liked. The new Shredder was totally bad ass....until I found out he was a Men in Black alien essentially. I'm sorry but I will never forgive that image of Shredder. That'd be like if I found out Slade from Teen Titans was just a robot and the human being Slade NEVER existed.

And yes while I KNOW Slade used robot doubles on the Titans many, many times, I always took comfort knowing the real human being Slade still existed and that his image was not a false one (false being a robot in this case). Shredder to me is a bad ass human who was able to hold his own, control, and prove his "metal" against freaks of nature. And to me, seeing him reduced to an alien in a robo-jumpsuit is just soiling, down right soiling. But that's me.