Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles

[AerostarMonk]

The capture sequence was a lot of fun I must admit. Even if it did give the rest of the monsters the shaft. You just gave two of the monsters name, which actually makes a good theory to where these monsters have been hiding out for the past 3000 years.

For 3000 years these guys have been the key factors in shaping the legends of the things that go bump in the night. Now a good follow-up fan-fic writer would actually write about the decrease in sightings of Bigfoot and the Jersey Devil and others.

[Pawbah]

That's interesting. I hadn't really thought of it that way.
I was wondering though... were most of the monsters captured in one night? That Kind of threw me off. I thought the montage sequence took over the space of a few nights but then the next scene Splinter turns on the TV and it has reports on just the last night. It's not a big deal it just kind of bothered me.

I'm for Shredder coming back. Just because he's awesome and that would make sense to me.

[Mr. Marshmallow]

Sadly I can't admit credit for those names, I went to some movie sites looking for still images on TMNT and one in particular showed individual images of the 13 monsters and two images gave those particular monsters the names of Bigfoot and Jersey devil. They read as Bigfoot monster and Jersey devil monster.

My made up names were Primator for the big blue ape beast, and Tomato for the devil one (because he attacked a kitchen and is small and red). The other 11 monsters didn't have any specific names, they were branded with bland generic names like centaur monster, vampire monster, and spider monster etc.

I did however think up names for the others, though there just my ideas on names for them. When I was younger I would think up names for monsters I saw on TV or movies that weren't given names and try to name them myself. I still do that today with shows like Ben 10 and Teen Titans.

My other monster names included:

Spydex - the spider monster
Zuul - the centaur monster
Flaps - the giant bat monster
Tuskus - the last monster (the one that chased Casey, April, and Karai)
Nozz - the big nostril looking monster

EDIT

If it wasn't over one night then it's possible they went on monster hunting all through the night but I personally think it did happen over many nights. My guess is the report where the Turtles battled Bigfoot arrived late and the news took their time airing it. No doubt to assess the weirdness of the news story, I mean were talking giant turtles, apes, and ninjas here.

[AerostarMonk]

Nice Ghostbusters reference. High Five!

I'm not against seeing the Shredder in a later movie, just not right away. Though I'm kinda betting on the wrong horse there. If there is going to be a sequel in the theatres it will most assuredly have the Shredder. Well, I at least hope he's sort of this hulking thing. Somewhere between his normal form and his form after being mutated. Not for the whole movie though, that would be sorta stupid.

I just noticed that I sound sorta like a double-talker now. What I meant by staying dead was in the way most comic villains stay dead, and come back when least expected if need be. You know I'm not really helping myself here. I'll just hold my tongue and stop trying to explain myself.

[Mr. Marshmallow]

Originally Posted by AerostarMonk

Nice Ghostbusters reference. High Five!

I'm not against seeing the Shredder in a later movie, just not right away.

Heh thanks as far as Shredder goes, I kind of feel the same way you do but about the new "Dark Knight" sequel movie there making for Batman. I am upset they are using the Joker again, I really don't think they need to be bringing him back into the movies.

Yes he could have been more like the comics but no matter how skeptical anyone is of Nicholson's version of the Joker, I hardly think it desires a revamp. The ONLY Batman villains I felt that were botched up and could use a second time on screen would be Two-face and DEFINITELY Bane.

But despite how good "Begins" was, I still would be happier seeing someone new in the Batman movies then the Joker. Killer Croc, The Mad Hatter, Firefly, Black Mask, plenty to pick from. The only thing is I'm sure Joker is being brought back for the same reason Shredder is being brought back: popularity.

Shredder is a very popular villain and I feel better about him coming back then Joker mainly because seeing an animated version is not nearly as upsetting as a whole new LIVE version. My guess is that Shredder will be back to normal and not be Super Shredder, though he will probably be very deformed.

Considering he was scarred by Splinter, nearly crushed to death by a garbage compactor, horribly mutated, and then smashed by a mountain's worth of solid wood, I have a feeling Shredder is never going to want to take off his helmet and see his face again after all that.

[AerostarMonk]

I actually understand them bringing back the Joker. They're establishing a whole new universe with the Batman movies and since they seem to be trying to get a whole bunch of DC movies set in the same universe started, including a JLA film, they want to bring in the top villain as well. Plus they have a chance to correct the mistake that Burton made, you don't kill off someone like the Joker.

I personally can't wait until the next film, or at least until the decide to go back into production on a decent version of the cartoons. TMNT that is. Fast Forward isn't bad, but there should never be any reason whatsoever that you should pray for the days of Season 10 of the 87 series. Not that they were bad, they just paled in comparison to the previous seasons. Fast Forward doesn't even have that going for it. It's that pile of trash with the eclair on top. And I'll be damned if I have to continue to be the Costanza in this situation.

[Mr. Marshmallow]

Originally Posted by AerostarMonk

Plus they have a chance to correct the mistake that Burton made, you don't kill off someone like the Joker.

That I actually disagree with, in all honesty they really had to. When your doing a comic book movie you have to keep things fresh and above all, NEVER bring back the same bad guy. Comic books have the largest assortment of villains in all forms of media and it's boring to see the same hat trick twice.

Joker needed to die, having him arrested or locked up leaves a plot hole possibility that he may come back and we know that would never happen. That's why Penguin, Two-face, Bane, and Joker were killed off so they could rank in newer villains each film. Same with Spider-man, and X-men, and etc.

The trouble is that Shredder is so strong a villain that it's very hard to keep a movie going without him, he really is the strongest villain (influence wise) the turtles series has. I am getting into Fast Forward a little, they actually have some interesting villains and I especially want to know more about Cody.

His whole existence and tie in with April and Casey is a fascinating one and I hope they develop him a bit more and his relationship with Starlee.

[AerostarMonk]

Actually I don't find him getting away any different than Crane escaping on horseback or Al-Ghul's body not being shown. If the body's not shown, that always means he's still alive.

Same thing with Luthor in Superman. You just don't kill these guys off. Because if something new can be done with them, why do away with them? It's almost an insult to the character really. I mean all these years he's been able to escape in the comic book and the tv shows, not naming anyone just villains in general, and then he dies so easily in the movie.

Even Magneto's still alive, and the Marvel Universe has more top flight villains than DC. Once you get past Joker, Catwoman and Penguin the mainstream starts scratching their heads, but there are many Marvel villains people know about, and yet all three movies featured Magneto. Nothing to say from the Hellfire Club, Apocalypse, Emma Frost, Sentinels and Master Mold, Mr Sinster. Not saying these are anymore mainstream than a lot of the DC villains, but they are considered still your A-Listers. It's awhile before you get to what many would call jokey or gimmicky villains in the eyes of the mainstream. But that's just my opinion. Don't get me wrong I love DC and Marvel equally. It's just that Marvel's villains always seemed like something that would be easier to swallow in instant translation unlike many DC guys.

I'm not saying dont kill them off ever, just kill them off when suspension of disbelief can no longer maintain these guys being out about or at least not heavily injured.

The reason Shredder is such a strong villain is because until recently they weren't really game to hand over the stage to someone else. I mean the entire run of the comics they ran into some of the weirdest things possible. And they're talking turtles!! So if it weirds them out, you know it's something.

Like I said a Battle Nexus movie would be glorious. A Fugitoid movie would be quite fun. Even a lost city movie would be interesting. There are many stories they can explore that don't have to fall back on the Shredder. So the only way I'd like the Shredder to come back is if they have a great story that makes me not think, what if they would've did this other thing instead, for the 90 minutes I watch.

[Mr. Marshmallow]

Luthor is an exception, he honestly has nothing up his sleeve that would allow him to go toe to toe with Superman aside from a robot suit or a kryptonite rock. He's more brains then brawn where as Joker CAN actually fight Batman and is supported by his bags of tricks and killer clown weapons.

I felt Crane vanishing was rather stupid and considering the ungodly explosion that engulfed Gul's body, I highly doubt he survived that, immortality isn't the same thing as invincibility. The reason Magneto lived is because he's not your average villain, he's NOT really evil but in a sense a confused mutant.

He wants the same thing as Xavier but just goes about it the wrong way, and besides, Batman's films have always been darker in nature so killing off villains would fit right in. Plus like I said it's bad to leave them out and about or alive because then it leaves open plot holes, some that may never be filled.

Supposed Scarecrow never comes back in the films, its gonna look awful stupid if they just leave it at that. That's why I felt weird having the Riddler live because you know the movies ended with him still being locked up. Now Shredder see, they actually did the right thing killing him off twice.

The first time he fell, you could easily believe he died considering the truck, but they found a way to dig him back up and live for number 2. There's always a way to bring someone back from the dead, but there's not always going to be time to go back and fill in the plothole someone left behind.

I'm not saying all villains need to die, I'm just saying if your super hero of choice has a very colorful cast of villains to choose from like Batman or Spider man, get as many as you can on screen while you have the chance. Some super hero films though only have like one strong key villain.

Dr. Doom from Fantastic 4 and Kingpin from Daredevil come to mind. And in regards to the whole other X-men villains, I think the reason they didn't use all those other guys is because some of them were a bit too out of this world. Apocalypse, Mojo, and the Sentinels are kind of "stretching it".

Like I said, just because the Turtles or Batman either went into outer space or traveled back in time in comic books, doesn't mean people are going to swallow the same story on film.

[AerostarMonk]

I think Turtles weirdest adventures actually would do well on screen. The current movie is quite fantastic in nature, and despite being the lowest-grossing of the four, it still drew the people in.

There still was no body, and in movies and comics alike that usually means the guy is still alive. We haven't seen the last of Al-Ghul, and if we have seen the last of Ducard, the League of Shadows lives on and thus so does Al-Ghul.

You can't kill the Joker, because Batman doesn't kill. It's one of his rules, and I doubt they're going to set it up again where Batman refuses to save somebody. And I think this is still a good idea. If this is the franchise that becomes the Bond of the comic book world, it's probably best to leave the villains alive for the most part.

As for Apocalypse and the like, no more stretching it than Angel flying 3000 miles in the matter of minutes in X3. I think it's sort of an insult to audience if you think they can't buy certain concepts onscreen. The same audience who've bought giant apes, radiated lizards, rising dead, time travel and space aliens able to be beaten by a virus from a Mac. You gotta have faith in your audiences or you trap yourself in box.

I hope they realize this for Turtles and actually will give them some really cool adventures. Or at least a really twisted version of City at War.