Goofball John Magee

[Mr. Marshmallow]

Originally Posted by billytheskink

I'd think that Cartoon Network takes older fans into consideration, but not at the expense of younger fans.

Kids are fans too, they deserve to see their favorite shows just as much as us older folks.

I don't want them to "expense" anyone. But as long as they ARE taking adults into consideration and not just totally focusing 100% on kids, I'll feel happy.

I'm not saying mature teens/adults should replace kids, but they should be heard and not ignored.

[taranchula]

Wow this thread has gone so off topic, it's hardly recognizable anymore.

(BTW no one is in trouble, and I am not going to lock this thread, Because I just want to be fair to any new members that would like give his or her two cents about the topic at hand.)

[Voxxyn]

Like I said before, I'm not completely closed to the idea of Goofball making a return appearance.

BUT if he does, it BETTER be in a storyline centered on Frankie... and by that, a storyline that actually has a POSITIVE outcome for Frankie that makes up for her wrongful suffering caused by their first encounter, and shows to her and the viewers that maybe he isn't such a bad person.

If that happens, I'll let go my hatred of Goofball and his starring role. Until then...

EDIT: I just checked the BFAHP website--and discovered that the clip in Frankie's bio is taken from IHFUMEUP.

They could've used a number of scenes from "Frankie My Dear" or "Setting A President" which would actually do a good job of representing her character. Instead, they go for the episode that insults her and her fans.

I'm starting to think Cartoon Network hates Frankie.

[Invader Bloo]

...Or they could use my fan-fic, but with a new name. It's also Cheese filled so you know CN would air it alot (*cough*Big Cheese*cough*)

[Howard]

Originally Posted by Voxxyn

Like I said before, I'm not completely closed to the idea of Goofball making a return appearance.

BUT if he does, it BETTER be in a storyline centered on Frankie... and by that, a storyline that actually has a POSITIVE outcome for Frankie that makes up for her wrongful suffering caused by their first encounter, and shows to her and the viewers that maybe he isn't such a bad person.

If that happens, I'll let go my hatred of Goofball and his starring role. Until then...

Ya know - I would not mind if he made a second appearance, and Frankie tells him to play on the freeway during rush hour - and he does. Think of the possibilities!

[billytheskink]

Originally Posted by taranchula

Wow this thread has gone so off topic, it's hardly recognizable anymore.

sorry about that. I walked in late to a conversation and I was trying to figure out what was going on. I didn't, but that's nothing new.

[Mr. Marshmallow]

Yeah it was my fault too, someone mentioned the whole kids and adult targeted audiences thing and I just got really off track. Sorry about that.

Btw, if Goofball ever does show up again? I hope he has learned his lesson AND he keeps his red nose on.....that elephant nose is kinda nasty.

[Cassini90125]

Be fun to tie a knot in it, though.

[Nathander]

I finally saw that their was a poll added, and I gave the episode a D.

As I've stated before, I did not look Goofball or this episode, but my reasoning for disliking it tends to be very different then the apparent predominant reasoning for disliking it. While I do think Frankie got a raw deal, her treatment in and of itself wasn't enough to anger me, because as I've said before, I still don't feel this was the cruelest prank pulled on someone in the show.

My primary reason for disliking it is that I don't feel the character of Goofball, or the episode in general, was well structured. I know the whole thing with Goofball actually being an IF was intended to be irony, but I think it was poorly done considering the fact that they had already set up so much to disprove this, as well as some of Goofball's own actions, such as actively guarding his red nose. I STILL don't get that; the only reason he could have been so possessive was for the fact that he was afraid Frankie would steal it from him, which makes no sense as he has no reason to believe Frankie would just maliciously take his property from him.

There's also the fact that he couldn't remember simple information about himself (his full name, his phone number, ect.) and that he had homework. Perhaps, in Canada, IFs also have to go to school for whatever reason. I don't know. Perhaps he was just genuinely stupid, which is my personal belief. Kind of like Cheese, but able to communicate better.

I just thought it was a poorly done episode that wasn't up to snuff with the rest of the series, really.

[Voxxyn]

Originally Posted by Nathander

I still don't feel this was the cruelest prank pulled on someone in the show.

I'm not so sure about this. I think what Goofball did to Frankie in this episode was far worse than what happened to Mac in "I Only Have Surprise For You".

Mac didn't have to put up with the demands of a malicious jerk(whether intentionally or accidentally doesn't change the fact he WAS), buy groceries twice on the same day, do extra hours of cleaning and chores, and be denied from going to something he'd been anticipating forever. Bloo's birthday party plan for Mac WAS a cruel prank, I'm not doubting that. But by comparison, Frankie wasn't 'pranked' at all--she was ABUSED and TORTURED.

I'm not trying to discredit the unpleasantness of what the entire house did to Mac in IOHSFY. I felt bad for him, and really angry at Bloo. But what happened to Frankie in IHFUMEUP is on another level of horror and suffering.

I DO completely agree that the episode was very lacking in technical merits, and was a very poor "swan song" for Craig Lewis. The thinness and laziness of the actual plot, compared to the extreme harshness of Frankie's suffering, was what originally led me to believe it was an attack on Frankie. Whether or not it actually was an attack, doesn't change the fact it continues to upset and depress me just for existing.