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Old 01-29-2007, 03:23 AM   #51
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Uhhhh I just want to say this because this sticks out WAY too largely for me to ignore, apologize for off topicness again but....

Randall tried to kill Sulley when he was hanging from the doors, AND by suffocating him...so their "murder" of Randall was hardly without reason. And I also doubt Mike and Sulley knew where that door went to for Randall.

Unless they looked into it a head of time (which I don't buy because the family probably would have seen them considering trailers are quite small spaces), I think they just dumped Randall into the nearest door they could find.

Sorry again for the off topicness.
Killing someone is only justified BY LAW if that person is STILL trying to KILL YOU and cannot be stopped by any other means. Killing someone because they had TRIED to kill you earlier, but are no longer doing so, is an act of revenge, and it would not therefore be considered "self-defense". It would simply be murder, PERIOD. 75% of the murderers in prison now are there because they killed someone else out of revenge, because of something that their victim earlier did to them. Revenge is the most common motive for murder. The court system still does not justify it, and will punish those caught accordingly.

Sulley acted out of revenge, pure and simply. He and Mike also had to take time to plan what to do with Randall(who was no longer attempting to harm them and was under Sulley's control), which consitutes premeditation. That makes Sulley just as bad a person as Randall, if not worse, because unlike Randall, who was under orders from someone else and felt he had no real choice in the matter, Sulley DID have choices, but he CHOSE the worse one.

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Old 02-02-2007, 05:39 PM   #52
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Also, didn't Captain Gantu turn good in the final Lilo & Stitch film?

I know both Iago and Gantu turned good in DTV sequels, but I wouldn't be surprised if Pixar found some sort of way to "redeem" Randall as a wink to his cult following. (If he somehow survived the first one... I confess it's been a long time since I've seen Monsters Inc., so I guess I misunderstood the severity of it...)

Then again, I'm still kinda shocked at the character arc taken for Buddy Pine/Syndrome. Going from well-meaning fan who gets rejected by his hero, to a psychotic villain who receives a very grisly death... that's pretty dark.
Yeah, the last time I saw those two were in the their shows. (Iago being one of my fave Disney charcaters next to Donald Duck).

Tp PBL, Randall was jacka** you would of done it too. Randall could of said no & took teh pain that may of come, but nooooooo he was so un-Wilt like. (Using your Wilt loving-ness against you )
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Old 02-02-2007, 06:45 PM   #53
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Yeah, the last time I saw those two were in the their shows. (Iago being one of my fave Disney charcaters next to Donald Duck).

Tp PBL, Randall was jacka** you would of done it too. Randall could of said no & took teh pain that may of come, but nooooooo he was so un-Wilt like. (Using your Wilt loving-ness against you )
Actually, IB, Randall and Wilt are a LOT more alike than you think. Both are highly competitive and driven by the urge to win. NEITHER would resort to cheating(Randall was NOT CHEATING-any screams collected via the prototype Scream Extractor would NOT have counted towards his total on the Scare Boards, and he was very upset that Mike thought he'd been cheating). Both, when under extreme pressure, tend to "snap" rather quickly and react, rather than think things through. Wilt showed this side very plainly in "Bus the Two of Us", when HE, too, resorted to sudden physical assault on someone(Mr. Herriman)to achieve his goal of preventing anyone from finding out that the bus was missing. Randall's uber-stressed-out behavior throughout much of the movie, and Wilt's behavior in that episode, are stunningly similar, right down to that near-heart attack jump they both do when startled. As for Randall "taking the pain that was to come" if he'd said "no" to Waternoose, how painful does DEATH sound to you, hmmm? Given how Waternoose treated an old friend who'd crossed him, how do you think he would have treated Randall, someone he clearly disliked? Unless YOU have personally had YOUR life on the line and had to make that sort of decision, you're in no position to judge. I've been through that, so I know from first-hand experience what it's like to have a make a very serious decision like that. I know first-hand what that sort of pressure, for months on end, will do to someone, since I've lived it myself. SURVIVAL is any organism's strongest instinct. I'll give Wilt more credit for courage and gameness than I'll give Randall, but to many people, Wilt's self-sacrificing nature, and tendency to put the safety and survival of someone else above his own, makes HIM a negative character. I've just recently seen him described as "suicidal" and "stupid" on another forum for things he did in Good Wilt Hunting. It all depends on one's personal experiences. Wilt also came from a loving, caring background, and has people even now who care deeply about him. Randall, on the other hand, apparently had no one HE could count on, otherwise his family or SOMEBODY would have shown up(along with a bunch of lawyers and detectives)following his disappearance, and certainly would not have stood for Mike's lying excuse of a "company play", making fun of their loved one who'd gone missing while working for that very company. I myself came within a hair's breath of committing a horrible act, such was my own desparation, many years ago, and the only thing that pulled ME from that brink was my family, so don't try to tell me it doesn't make a difference.

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Well, Wilt would of had death instead of Waternoose had Randall doing. I see Randall having a grudge on Sulley now never turning back good. I mean he threw Randall with hicks! HICKS!! No one would ever forgive that!
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