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Originally Posted by Voxxyn
I know both Iago and Gantu turned good in DTV sequels, Then again, I'm still kinda shocked at the character arc taken for Buddy Pine/Syndrome. Going from well-meaning fan who gets rejected by his hero, to a psychotic villain who receives a very grisly death... that's pretty dark.
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To my knowledge, Gantu remained a glorified pain in the ass not only in the direct to dvd sequels but also the series, in fact, he was the main villain. Lilo and Stitch never did a good job with "real" villains considering how Dr. Jumba and Pleakely turned out anyways. And yes they WERE the starting villains.
But back to Kuzco and Iago, both were more pains in the asses then evil. Iago was certainly nasty at times but he's more of the kind of guy to say what he wants to save his own feathers. Kuzco was a spoiled brat and I never considered anything he did worthy of a villain title.
Randall to me showed some pretty cruel nature, mostly stemming with his whole scream device, how he went about doing it and when he said "I'll take
good care of the kid" towards the end. But that's just me.
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Originally Posted by DoubleLatte
I agree on many of the grisly villain deaths in Disney movie history. I know it's just for entertainment value (though I fail to find anything entertaining about death, to be honest), but I find it kind of macabre to dispose of every villain by killing them off in the most violent, bloodiest way. It's become such a trend now that people get surprised when a bad guy isn't killed off, whether they've been particularly nasty or not. If they're bad, they're supposed to die because that's just the way it's been for as long as television and entertainment have been around, right? We didn't need Disney to introduce us to the very fine line that defines "good" and "bad". Unfortunately, having been spoon-fed this ideal for most of our lives is what keeps some individuals thinking that redemption is a long ways from anyone who's ever crossed that fine line. It's strictly black and white with no in- between, and I hate it.
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It really isn't and despite the countless grizzly deaths I mentioned, there are of course many clean "ends" for villains that happen without death. Consider:
101 Dalmations
The Rescuers
Toy Story
Toy Story 2
Robin Hood
The Jungle Book
Cinderella
None of the villains died, and YES they can turn good. It all depends on whether the character has the potential to become good or the willing to make changes in their lives. Buffy the vampire slayer, Dragon Ball Z, Pokemon, Digimon, Jackie Chan adventures and Beast Wars have all shown bad guys turning good.
Anime uses this evil going good thing CONSTANTLY, especially in Sailor Moon, it happens A LOT more then you think. It all depends on how far the character can go. But to be honest, some villains CAN'T go good and most of them don't want to, it's a choice they make and have to live with.
Some things can't be helped, some people too, and villains like Buddy/Syndrome who let personal matters or issues control and corrupt their lives are doomed to pay for their mistakes in the end....even if the end is bloody or clean, either way, karma comes back at ya.