[Nathander]

Originally Posted by Voxxyn

You keep mentioning "ONE TIME ONLY" as if 1) the episode established that Frankie was a long-time concertgoer on her free time, that missing this particular one wasn't such a big deal, and that she'll nonetheless be able to attend many more concerts in the future, or 2) some kind of event happened in a future episode where Frankie actually gets to enjoy herself for a change, thus possibly reversing it's hurtfulness. As far as I know, neither of these things actually happened(with the latter, HOPEFULLY only "at the moment").

The concert wasn't built up as a common leisure, it was a rare opportunity for a much-overworked person like Frankie to finally get some kind of reward for all she does, and like I said, she undoubtedly worked very hard just to save up her money and get those tickets. If she missed it because of a genuine emergency that threatened the house(willingly or begrudgingly, but Frankie is the type of person that would willingly sacrifice something for the sake of those closest to her), I wouldn't have minded at all.

She missed because of a lazy jerk who caused her to do an unreasonable amount of extra work on what was supposed to be her DAY OFF, and actually got away with it unscathed, while Frankie remains a very underappreciated and overworked person who continues to be denied the chance to actually enjoy herself for a change.

So, yes, Frankie missing the concert IS a very big deal to me.

You make good points in general, but I still stand by my overall feelings.

Thing is, Frankie can go to another concert sometime, whereas Mac can never relive all those birthdays that've been ruined for him. Thing is, Frankie can probably enjoy going to whatever concert she eventually goes to, while Mac has probably had the notion of birthday parties completely and utterly ruined for him by this event and those preceding it.

No, going to a concert wasn't built up as a general leisure; however, Frankie has more chances to go to a concert then Mac has to have an enjoyable birthday. Also, Frankie is a grown woman, and thus this strike to her psyche was nowhere near as devastating as the strike to Mac's was because of the impressionability of age. Frankie's psyche has already, for the most part, finished developing; Mac's is still in development. That being the case, Frankie isn't likely to develop any kind of mental trauma from her run in with Goofball, but Mac could very easily develop a form of paranoia (and we're shown that he has) over the events in "I Only Have Surprise for You" concerning something that's supposed to be a joyful celebration.

I also noticed that you said Frankie missing the concert was a very big deal for you. Now, again, I can't blame you or call you out for that, because I tend to do it too. However, I'm trying my best to not put my own personal views into the matter and look at it from a purely logical standpoint, based on that alone. That's not to say that I haven't slipped up in doing such, but I do have to say that, while I can understand your anger over the episode, I think you take the episode slightly too personally. Yuu're more than free to have personal opinions, of course, but I think you overreact slightly in consideration of this episode in that it was some sort of attack on Frankie or her fanbase (and I, for my part, don't believe IOHSFY was an attack on Mac and his fanbase, as I said in my last part). Maybe it is an attack and I'm wrong, but I'm afraid I just don't see it. I can't really argue this issue, as it's an issue of personal preference, so our own motives/views will derive too significantly to actually intelligently argue this point.

Also, this isn't to say that you don't use logic in your arguments; you argue your points beautifully. I'm just saying that I think you can be a bit overzealous in your protection of Frankie.

Originally Posted by Mr. Marshmallow

Even if it was a single concert or 20, it was really hard to see her get pushed like that and all because of someone who was so inconsiderate, lazy, and insensitive to Frankie's feelings.

I agree that it was horrible, and if it sounded like I was attempting to sugarcoat it, I was not (as I've said several times before). I just want that to be perfectly clear to everyone.

And finally 3: Frankie at least accepted her beef with Goofball and left on a semi happy note, or rather I should say she left feeling a means of "okay, glad that's over". But as far as Mac's episode with "Surprise", that I physically CANNOT watch.

I don't like Mac over Frankie, but when you look at Mac's problem in that episode realistically....it hurts me to think what Mac went through. I can't see how someone becoming pscyhologically paranoid over the day of his birth is even conceivably funny, he is LITERALLY freaking scared of his B-day.

And why so, from a terrible accident, death of a family member, bad test grade, NO it was his freaking best friend! Bloo's been an ass before but this was way too far, I cannot tolerate the fact he was messing with Mac's head so carelessly, especially for someone who is supposed to be his best friend.

Not only that, but unlike Frankie's torment, Mac didn't get ANY relief. He was left more scared, more upset, and even MORE humilated. The episode ended with him worse off then he started. Do you know how HARD it is to actually get a phobia forced into you outside of childhood trauama or accidents?

Very hard, and the fact Bloo thought it was hilarious hurt me even more. I think Wilt said it best in the "Sight for Sore eyes" episode:

"I'm sorry but WHAT A JERK!"

More or less, that's exactly what I've been attempting to convey in this conversation. Frankie's ordeal, at least, ended on a semi-sweet note. Not so with Mac.

However, in the same way I don't think Goofball was intentionally cruel, I also don't believe Bloo had intended to be cruel. I think, more or less, Bloo was atttempting to put some form of humorous spin to what he was doing and get Mac to appreciate it. Of course, being the Bloo we all know and love, he's unable to comprehend the fact that Mac doesn't exactly find his own personal degradation funny. So, to that degree, I don't have much of a beef with Bloo, though it confounds me as to how he was able to convince everyone else to go along with him, since you'd have though either Frankie or Wilt would've voiced a problem with it. But then again, I don't exactly have high views of IOHSFY. I'd give it a D, just like I did this episode.