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Invader Bloo 04-03-2007 04:02 PM

Cryptozoology
 
Anyone beleive in this besides me? It's the study of animals that haven't been proven yet, here's a list:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Cryptids

I beleive in some of it like Bigfoot, Giant Anaconda, Yeti, Tasmaninan Tiger (which was a real animal but is extinct but rumors say there's some left),etc..

But some is just gay, goatman!??, Lizard Man!??, New Jersey Devil!? Peopel will beleive anything.

So what's everyone's opinion on this? I only started be interested in this stuff ebcause of Dib. 8-)

Cassini90125 04-03-2007 04:10 PM

I want to see stories about the legendary giant three-eyed Chernobyl Pig. 8D

emperor26 04-03-2007 04:15 PM

To be honest, unless there is actual (and accurate) proof of some of these cryptids, I going to dismiss them as hoax until then.

pitbulllady 04-03-2007 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by emperor26 (Post 39226)
To be honest, unless there is actual (and accurate) proof of some of these cryptids, I going to dismiss them as hoax until then.

For many decades, people said the same thing about animals that we now consider ordinary, if not mundane, like the Giant Panda, Mountain Gorilla, Okapi and many others. Every year, at least one species of animal, often something quite large(like the "new" species of Clouded Leopard), is discovered, or in some cases, REdiscovered after it was thought to be long extinct. Yes, there are hoaxes, but very often, reports are too consistent to simply ignore. One such hoax that I DO know of, though it's never been "officially" solved as such, involves Lee County, SC's, very own "Lizard Man". I know that this was my very tall cousin, the late Lucious Elmore, dressed in a suit made of a Halloween costume and some butterbean hulls from his truck farm, that he'd made to scare off would-be thieves. He'd had several farm pumps and other expensive bits of equipment vandalized by punk kids, and with the suggestion of his brother-in-law and some sewing skills provided by his wife, what was to become one of the biggest news sensations of the '80s was born!

pitbulllady

Invader Bloo 04-03-2007 04:59 PM

Yes exactly PBL. Notice how alot of those are large animals so there's possibilities some large mammals are alive. Plus, the giant anaconda is pretty beilvable. Rumor has it that the snake was too large to carry out of the Amazon. But alot are just insane a giant goat like creature that walks on two legs, that's just wrong. Someoen should make a comic about goatman, as a super secret super-hero who stops crime as a paranormal creature.

Also on the Wiki list it says Greys (the more common alien that you see in commercials, TVs & movies) as cryptids, huh?:terrconf:

Partymember 04-04-2007 07:51 AM

I've been interested in the Thunderbird for a while, and there's always Bigfoot!

Medikor 04-04-2007 07:58 AM

I love this stuff! I'm a firm believer in Sasquatch, the yeti, Nessie, Ogopogo and other sea monsters, ghosts, the Jersey Devil and the Chupacabra. Even if their not real (though I'm sure they are) they sure are fun to believe in.:D

Partymember 04-04-2007 04:37 PM

for a while i wanted to go to South America and SHOOT a Thunderbird, but i thought about the ecological impact of killing even one of them, and of the corporate exploitation and tourism, and i decided against it.

AerostarMonk 04-04-2007 04:38 PM

Don't we have Thunderbirds up here? I've heard of a lost photo that actually depicts a dead one.

Partymember 04-04-2007 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by AerostarMonk (Post 39388)
Don't we have Thunderbirds up here? I've heard of a lost photo that actually depicts a dead one.

in Northern US i assume? Maybe. I believe they have migrated south, though. The Hopi and Pueblo used to see them, and the Mississipi, too, but they now are dwelling in S. America (only the densest jungle) and in the Pacific Islands.

AerostarMonk 04-04-2007 04:48 PM

Ah, found what I was looking for. Or at least an explanation.

There is a story that in April 1890, two cowboys in Arizona killed a giant birdlike creature with an enormous wingspan. It was said to have had smooth skin, featherless wings like a bat and a face that resembled an alligator. This description has obvious similarity to that of a prehistoric pterodactyl, a creature which was known at the time. They dragged the carcass back to town, and it was pinned, wings outstretched across the entire length of a barn. A picture of this event may have been published in the local newspaper, the Tombstone Epitaph. It should be noted that Cryptozoology.com has an account of this story with the events taking place in the state of Texas.

According to Mark Hall, the Epitaph did indeed print a story about the capture of a large, unusual winged creature, on April 26, 1890. Beyond this single story, however, no one has made historic corroboration that this event ever occurred; it is usually considered an urban legend. Utterly fictional tall tales were not an uncommon feature in newspapers during this era.

No one has ever produced a copy of the "thunderbird" photograph, though numerous people, Ivan T. Sanderson being one of the better known, have made claims to its existence. Sanderson claimed to have once owned a copy of the photo, which vanished after he loaned it to an acquaintance in the 1960s. The television program Freaky Links staged a similar photo, giving new life to the "Thunderbird Photograph" legend.

Jerome Clark speculates that the description of the basic image in question (men standing alongside a winged creature nailed to a barn), is evocative enough to implant a sort of false memory, leading some people to vaguely "remember" seeing the photo at some distant, imprecise time.


On top of that reports still roll in. Even from my state, Ohio. Still a common cryptid in the US.

Cassini90125 04-04-2007 04:52 PM

Odds are what they had was nothing more than a large condor.

AerostarMonk 04-04-2007 04:57 PM

Could be. But never thought condors were so spread out across the US. Then again you never can tell. Many reports of these birds seem to point to condors.

Invader Bloo 04-04-2007 05:04 PM

I agree that could be a condor. I don't think any dinosuars are still alive, unless they live in the ocean.

I used to live in Naples,Fl. We has a crud load of woods as our backyard (though we weren't in the middle of nowhere) I used to here noises that sounded like what Bigfoot supposedly sounds like, back then I didn't beleive I this. I wonder if it was a bigfoot or alligators. Hnmmmm...

kageri 04-04-2007 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by pitbulllady (Post 39232)
One such hoax that I DO know of, though it's never been "officially" solved as such, involves Lee County, SC's, very own "Lizard Man". I know that this was my very tall cousin, the late Lucious Elmore, dressed in a suit made of a Halloween costume and some butterbean hulls from his truck farm, that he'd made to scare off would-be thieves. He'd had several farm pumps and other expensive bits of equipment vandalized by punk kids, and with the suggestion of his brother-in-law and some sewing skills provided by his wife, what was to become one of the biggest news sensations of the '80s was born!

pitbulllady

Wait, seriously? Wow, you're related to a mythical creature!

One such creature that sounds kinda cool is that Mothman guy. I doubt it's real, but I'm curious to know what people were really seeing when they reported it, if they actually saw it at all.

AerostarMonk 04-04-2007 10:27 PM

I wonder what brought about the term Mothman. I mean the creature described is often said to be owl-like. I guess Mothman just sounds better.

I have been interested in Mothman for quite sometime. I wish there were more reports that didn't vary from telling to telling. And recent sightings have been at an all-time low.

jekylljuice 04-05-2007 01:41 AM

Mothman is an interesting one. Didn't he (according to folklore) have something to do with the collapse of the Silver Bridge? From what I've read, opinions seem to divided as to whether he was actually the cause of the disaster, or simply trying to warn passers-by of the impending catastrophe ahead. Either way, his work there seems to be done, for the time being.

I agree with Medikor - regardless of whether these elusive beings are real or not, in an age where we humans more-or-less assume that we have complete knowledge and dominion of everything around us, it's nice to still have some mystery left in this world. Sadly, although I used to be a devout believer in each and every crypto-zoological creature you could mention as a kid - Nessie in particular - I find that I've grown up to be a much more cynical and skeptical person, and I can't really force myself to suspend my disbelief any more. Oddly enough, it was actually going to Loch Ness that killed a lot of the magic for me, not so much because I didn't see any traces of Scotland's most famous resident, but because the local information centres on the matter seemed to sympathise a lot more with the cynics. Surprisingly so, given that the local tourism board thrives on the possibility of her existence (not to mention that they make heaps of money selling shed-loads of the tackiest-looking Nessie plushes you can imagine). I'm always interested to read about possible new sightings, though.

I find it increasingly difficult to even believe in aliens any more, or at least that humankind will ever have contact with them (in that sense I'm merely a shadow of my former self). Here's to the days of lost youth and innocence...

AerostarMonk 04-05-2007 01:58 AM

I think my mind is more open now than it ever was when I was a kid. I mean I've been searching cryptid and legend databases, and my mind just fills with wonder.

In fact, I think the only thing that's changed is I no longer want to be a semi-pro paranormal investigator.

Partymember 04-05-2007 06:09 AM

Don't forget Mokele Mbembe. Totally plausible.

Invader Bloo 04-06-2007 02:55 PM

Could be, but I'm not a strong beleiver in that.

Imaginary Light 04-08-2007 08:24 AM

I used to be a firm believer in the Loch Ness Monster. I still like to think Nessie's out there somewhere. I have a friend who swears that she saw Big Foot walking down her street:P

Nathander 04-16-2007 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Partymember (Post 39449)
Don't forget Mokele Mbembe. Totally plausible.

I'm afraid I'm unfamiliar with this term. Could you possibly explain it slightly?

As for cryptozoology, I have a hard time not believing in it. While I'm certain that some of these creatures are hoaxes, such as Nessie, most Bigfoot sightings, and the Lizard Man, I don't disbelieve that there are some creatures that we have no scientific evidence to go on around the world. However, I don't feel that, simply because they may exist, that means they may be supernatural (though I'm a believer in that too).

For the most part, I agree with pitbulllady's stand on the subject: there are so many creatures that are still being discovered that it's hard to discount cryptozoology itself due to the fact that some of the creatures described therein may truly exist and simply have no classification yet.

Partymember 04-16-2007 12:15 PM

Mokele Mbembe is a large lizard/serpent that lives in the Congo, locals say the thing is big enough to eat elephants. Most often is said to be perhaps a rontosaurus or something of that nature. I'd think a brontosaurus would have a hard time eating an elephant what with it being a veghetarian and all, but thats just my opinion.

Medikor 04-16-2007 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Partymember (Post 40828)
Mokele Mbembe is a large lizard/serpent that lives in the Congo, locals say the thing is big enough to eat elephants. Most often is said to be perhaps a rontosaurus or something of that nature. I'd think a brontosaurus would have a hard time eating an elephant what with it being a veghetarian and all, but thats just my opinion.

I think I heard of that. My guess is that it would more likely be a larger cousin of the komodo dragon. But it would be cool is there still were dinosaurs out there.;)

Invader Bloo 04-17-2007 02:04 PM

I thought Moele Mbeme (sp?) was some dinousaur still living.

koosie 04-17-2007 02:17 PM

So that's what the Mothman's about! I grew up hearing storys of giant Owls and Owl-Men being seen in the deepest, darkest forests of Northern Europe. In our mythology they were the ghosts of the once-powerful pagan dietys from thousands of years ago when the deep woods were still full of unknown terror.

On a related note has the existence of the South American big-cat the Onza ever been confirmed as a separate species? The Spaniads told of the beast in Montezuma's zoo but it's generally believed what was seen there was an unusually formed Puma.

Partymember 04-18-2007 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by koosie (Post 40921)
So that's what the Mothman's about! I grew up hearing storys of giant Owls and Owl-Men being seen in the deepest, darkest forests of Northern Europe. In our mythology they were the ghosts of the once-powerful pagan dietys from thousands of years ago when the deep woods were still full of unknown terror.

On a related note has the existence of the South American big-cat the Onza ever been confirmed as a separate species? The Spaniads told of the beast in Montezuma's zoo but it's generally believed what was seen there was an unusually formed Puma.

Owl-Men? Pagan Gods?

sweeeeeeet!

AerostarMonk 04-18-2007 04:21 PM

Man, that sounds like something straight from a storyline of "King" Kirby himself. The fact that it hasn't been mined for entertainment today is astonishing and awesome at the same time.


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