Spider-Man
 

With two months away before Spider-Man 3 comes to theaters, I thought this might be the best time to talk about the web-slinger.

Anyway, I really like Spider-Man, one of few characters from Marvel Comics that continues to fascinate me.

However, I do admit that some of the changes did shock me (ie Spider-Man revealign his identity to the entire world, Mac Gargan as the new Venom, etc.)

Still, I like Spider-Man (including the one from Ultimate Marvel).

spider man. best superhero there is. i loved the first movie, and the second, and cant wait for the third. i even liked those really weird and kinda stupid cartoons that he was in. hes just... well, cool.

Oooooh A Spiderman topic, well we can't have a Spiderman topic without....

(Sing it with me people, you know the words....)

Spiderman, Spiderman,
Does whatever a spider can
Spins a web, any size,
Catches thieves just like flies
Look Out!
Here comes the Spiderman.

Is he strong?
Listen bud,
He's got radioactive blood.
Can he swing from a thread
Take a look overhead
Hey, there
There goes the Spiderman.

In the chill of night
At the scene of a crime
Like a streak of light
He arrives just in time.

Spiderman, Spiderman
Friendly neighborhood Spiderman
Wealth and fame
He's ingnored
Action is his reward.

To him, life is a great big bang up
Whenever there's a hang up
You'll find the Spider man.

Spiderman, Spiderman
Does whatever a spider can
Suck the guts out of his prey
His big webs are here to stay

Look out! It's a can of Morteen!
It's the end of Spiderman!

....lol I'm sorry. XD

I can't wait for the new Spider-Man movie! I have the trailer on my iPod. Yes, I'm such a dork:P But seriously. The 3rd movie cannot come out soon enough. Spider-Man goes DARK ZOMG!!!!111ONE

I'm kinda wondering how Spider-Man 3 will handle having four major villains at once(Sandman, Venom, Green Goblin Jr. and evil symbiote Spidey)... don't get me wrong though, I'm sure it will be great. :D

I never considered Spider-man in the black suit to be a villain, though the other 3 surely are some pretty big contenders. Even though there's been all this wish washy talk between Maguire, the other actors and the director being in or out, I'll be happy knowing even if this is the last film, that Venom made the cut.

Venom is perhaps the greatest Spider man villain next to the big bads like Doc Ock and Green Goblin. He's bad ass in appearance, design, personality, and everything. I've got some suspicions about this movie. One being I'm sure someone BIG might die, most likely I think would be Harry Osborn.

I also suspect that of the main villains, Sandman has the most likely percentage of being the guy that bites the dust. Venom is too big of a villain to kill off without leaving an opening for a return, and Sandman is also a very simple "thug" type villain.

I also think this might happen because in the comics, Venom IS the one that kills Sandman. I really do think Spider man is easily the greatest super hero movie series to date. Each film has been impressive and near perfection with it's characters, acting, storylines, fight scenes, dialogue etc.

I also really hope the series continues, it has SO much potential and so MANY more comic villains and stories to bring out. The villains I personally want to see on the big screen are: The Lizard, Electro, Mysterio, and Carnage.

I feel the same way about Carnage and the Lizard (we did get to see Doc Conners in the second one though). If they decide not to make anymore Spider-Man movies then they should at least make a Venom movie. But if they decide to keep going, I wouldn't mind getting into the clone saga personally.

They usually put comic book characters into a movie for a reason. Both Connors and John Jameson have super hero/villain counterparts, Man-Wolf and The Lizard. I have no doubt that Sam Raimi picked them for a specific reason.

Lizard is a classic villain so using him would make sense, of course, there's still the other classic Spidey villains. I do want Lizard however, I personally think old school bad guys like Vulture, Mysterio, Kraven, The Chameleon have a better shot.

Of course, Electro is an old school villain too so that makes me happy 8-).

Spider-Man is quite cool. I like how he uses his web swing to swing from building from building. I also like Tobey McGuire the man who plays Peter Parker/Spider-Man in the movies.

I heard that Bruce Campbell will be playing Quentin Beck in Spidey 3. I really hope that's true. Though I doubt we'll ever see the chin as Mysterio.

Is there anyone else here that thinks that serial killer Kletus Kassidy, aka Carnage, looks a lot like a young Danny Elfman?

There were rumors floating around prior to Spider man 3's villain announcement that Kassidy would cameo in this movie. Jake Gyllenhal was said to play the part.

Not sure if this was just a rumor or a possibility that they tried and didn't pan out.

I just got second runner up on the MTV See it. Play it. sweepstakes. I get a PS3 and a copy of the new SM3 game and $200 to spend at a GameStop.:bloocross:

I heard about the Spider-Man 3 movie. It would cool to see it when it comes into theatres. I heard Spidey going to get a new costume, most likely the symboite costume.

You mean you haven't seen any of the ads or anything? Of course it's the Symbiote Costume. Eddie Brock is in the movie,how can they not have anything doing with the suit?

Spiders devour their mates when fertilisation is complete...can Spidey do that, too?
 

GrimTheLost: Come now, don't bite the poor guy's head off. :P Just relax and remember that you just got given about $800 worth of goodies for free, you lucky beggar... I never win anything like that. :D

Still, I'm just happy that I'll get to see the film at all...Western movies are frequently released in China months late, or sometimes not at all, but for this one they've decided to go day-and-date with the US to reduce losses to piracy. Heck, thanks to the time difference, I might even get to see it before any of you...there's a turn-up for the books! :bloocross:

I hope this one does it for me. Spider-Man's one of the only comics I've read extensively, mostly the really old-school Stan Lee stuff, so I really want the movies to be good. The first Spider-Man I thought was pretty fun, but as for Spider-Man 2...to be blunt, I found it to be the most disappointing cinematic experience of my life. :( Above all, it showed me how different subjective reactions can be, because I found myself disagreeing in the strongest possible terms with every single aspect that every other reviewer seemed to be praising it for. I thought the dialogue and performances were totally unconvincing and sledgehammer obvious (in particular, at no point does Rosemary Harris's Aunt May seem even remotely like a genuine human being); the action was so over-edited and blatantly computer-generated as to become completely distracting; the storytelling was flabby and lacking any drive, with several scenes (notably the chocolate cake scene and the "comedy" scenes) feeling so pointless and drawn-out as to become actually embarassing; Doc Ock was a weak, confused and unnecessary rehash of Norman Osborn's "Peter's scientist mentor goes tragically insane" arc, except with a listless Alfred Molina instead of the charismatic Willem Dafoe...I could go on.:macwor:

The worst thing for me, though, was the movie's apparently total lack of interest in Spider-Man himself as a character. The way I saw it in the comics, Spider-Man isn't just a costume to Peter Parker, he's a whole different persona, a genuine alter-ego; being Spidey allows him to forget that he's a socially awkward college student and become this brassy, confident, wise-cracking superhero, the much-referenced "friendly neighbourhood Spider-Man". It's that side of Spidey that makes him such a fun superhero in my opinion, which is why it was so jarring that across the first two movies, I can count the number of times we got even a glimpse of that character on the fingers of one hand; movie Spider-Man is never anything other than Peter Parker in a suit, a fact emphasised by the filmmaker's (or Tobey Maguire's contract's) need to have him take off his mask about ten times during the movie (usually in front of people too, which he almost never does in the comic). This places the focus of the story exclusively on Maguire's Peter, a character who I cannot stand. :frankiemad: The reason that the Peter of the comics is such an accessible character is that he's just an average young man; good-hearted and smart, yes, but he's not especially rich, strong, handsome or popular, he's just your normal guy dealing with his problems like any normal guy would. Instead, the movie presents Peter as an ineffectual milksop who fumbles his way through life in such an inept way that I just felt as though anyone could handle the problems of being Spider-Man better than he does; his soon-to-be deadly quarrel with Harry Osborn, for example, is based entirely on a misunderstanding that Peter could have easily rectified, but bafflingly chose not to. Basically, I just didn't like him; and if you don't like Spider-Man, how good could a Spider-Man movie possibly be? :(

Blergh...I didn't mean that to be either as downbeat or as long as it was, but I guess the fact is that the movie is something of a sore spot for me. I was so excited before going to see it for the first time, and I've seen it twice more since, including another time in the cinema. Each time I psyche myself up, wanting it to prove me wrong, wanting to see in it what everybody else does; Lord help me, writing all that has made me want to watch it again to give it another chance, but I know I shouldn't, because I'll just be disappointed again. :sadbendy: For Spider-Man 3, I'm keeping my expectations low, which I hope will increase my enjoyment of it; like I said, I love Spider-Man, and I really want to love these movies. I liked Sandman a lot in the comics, and though I've never read an actual Venom story, I know enough about him to know how cool he could be; I'm hoping they can turn this one round. :)

Yeah, I shouldn't bite his head off(I really didn't mean too), I don't like the taste of meat anyway. I do feel lucky about the prize. And yeah, Spider-Man is also the only comic that I really read a lot of too. It is going to be real good. The cast they got is really good and they finally made Peter sarcastic.

Not sure I'll see another Spiderman Movie until Dr. Conners turns into the Lizard. No way they can screw that up.

The first two films greatly dissapointed me.

I would love to see the Lizard. I busted out laughung when it showed him with no arm (I know it's whrong, but sill).

His brief appearance was one of the few things I enjoyed about the second one. Gave me hope that he'll turn into the Lizard in one of the films.

Unfortunately, his appearance was followed by a non J. Geils-induced freeze frame.

I think the fact they went to the trouble of casting Dr. Connors with (in my eyes) a fine actor and involving him twice in the film series, he will eventually become the Lizard. He too is one of my favorite villains and he's one of the older, classic Spider man bad guys.

The movies have been using mostly the old school spider man villains (pretty much the entire Sinister six is as classic as you can get). I think if they do bring Lizard in he should come along with Kraven the hunter, the two would be ideal opposing villains: a hunter and an animal.

I have a feeling the likes of Mysterio and Vulture will eventually pop up into Spidery's big silver screen universe.

Making this quick and brief, Spider-Man 3 is perhaps the best movie, just like the first two, along with some great action sequences and how the characters were portrayed.

Other than that, I enjoyed this film a lot. ;D

What? No Rocket Racer?

I would actually pay NOT to see him on screen :bloogrin:.

As great as Spider man is, he does have some lame allies (no offense to any RR fans).

I'd much rather see someone like Black cat, Prowler, or Morbius rather then Rocket racer.

I'll accept Rocket Racer in a future movie, Only IF they bring in the Big Wheel too. :bloogrin:

No, not Big Wheel. That would be so lame.

I want a Kraven's Last Hunt movie, same as most people. Lizard vs Kraven vs Spidey. Good stuff there.

If they put Kraven in the next films I would like to see a spin-off movie of him. He is a really cool character when you get down to it.

Dude I was totally joking about the Big Wheel, I mean I know that adding him to any movie in the Spiderman series would totally take things into Joel Schumacher Batman and Robin territory.

Big wheels keep on turnin'...
 

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LOL! I'd never heard of this particular character before, but I saw the name "Big Wheel", and I was thinking "Hehe, imagine if he was actually just a big wheel"...and then I clicked on the link and found out that he is. How could the Spider-Man writers honestly think that a man dressed as a wheel - a fricking wheel - could possibly make for an intimidating villain? ???

I'm seeing Spider-Man 3 later today, so I'll probably be back to post my thoughts up on it later, but already I'm invisaging grand things for Spider-Man 4, starring Samuel L. Jackson as Big Wheel, Al Pacino as The Gibbon, and Paul Newman as Turner D. Century.

Wow, I make one joking reference about Rocket Racer and now we have people bringing up the dadgum Big Wheel and TURNER D. CENTURY?!

They ought to put them all in one movie, and add the Razorback for good measure Good Buddy...

I want to see that electrified mane in action.

Why stop there, bring in "The Walrus" too. 8D

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...alrusfight.jpg

Okay maybe I should quit while I am ahead, before y'all wanna string me up by my toe nails. :P

Does whatever a sider can...like flounder around in a bathtub and die.
 

Well, as I said in the "Last movie you watched" thread, I just got back from seeing Spider-Man 3, and once again, I find myself utterly bemused by the critical and fan reaction the new movie is getting; looking around the likes of Rotten Tomatoes and Ain't It Cool, the consensus seems to be that the movie is decent but disappointing, a movie that didn't quite live up to its stellar potential, with a few (including most of you guys here on NF, I notice) who loved it anyway. I have to tell you; to be absolutely frank, I really thought it was one of the most bafflingly awful major Hollywood productions I've seen in years. :wiltshock: A word of warning; this is my honest , personal, subjective opinion, based entirely on gut reactions, and I'm not pulling any punches, so make of it whatever you want.

Now, don't get me wrong; I'm not trying to be one of those irritating whiny internet types that Mr. Marshmallow refers to in his current sig, nor am I saying it to be contrary or controversial (those people bug the hell out of me too). Heck, I'm not even speaking from an emotional place like I was on Spidey 2, where my disappointment with it caused me to be even more scathing than I otherwise might have been; due to a combination of middling buzz and my own experience with Spider-Man 2, I went in to this one with very mild expectations, wanting nothing more than a pleasant day out at the movies, which I got. Because of that, I actually don't dislike this film in the way that I do Spidey 2, but that doesn't change the fact that I thought it was, objectively, an even worse film.

What got me most about the movie was how dreadful the writing and storytelling was, and how Raimi and co. often botched them in a way that undercut even than the normal "bad movie" standard associated with reviled directors like Stephen Sommers or Joel Schumacher. With the likes of Van Helsing or Tim Story's Fantastic Four, say, the lines and characterisation are banal, hammy and devoid of any intelligence, but at least the scenes follow a logical progression and have a clear structure, no matter how badly that structure is adorned; with Spider-Man 3, there were so many scenes (most notably the scene in the restaurant with Peter and MJ, the discussion Peter has with Aunt May near the end and even the conversation in the finale) that just seemed to die on the screen, meandering this way and that with no sense of purpose or direction, with the characters spouting dialogue that just didn't seem like it meant anything. Across the second and third movies, the biggest examples I can think of were any scenes involving Mr Ditkovich the landlord and Ursula. None of their scenes appeared to add anything to the plot, the structure, the character arcs, or the tone; those sequences just came onto the screen and sat there doing nothing at all, to the extent that they became embarassing and uncomfortable to watch. Other scenes, meanwhile, had more coherency and purpose to them, but were hobbled by impossibly clunky writing delivered in a stilted fashion; the dialogue in the Marko household, for example, for all it referenced the nature of "truth", lacked even a hint of it, whilst Aunt May again never once felt like an actual human being, remaining nothing more than a mouthpiece for trite homilies. I honestly can't fathom how any screenwriter, or indeed anybody with even a passing interest in fiction of any kind, could think some of the stuff in there was acceptable; at times, it seemed like it had been written by someone who'd never even seen a movie before. :wiltshock:

What else? Story-wise, it wasn't irredeemable, but it really was a mess. I'm not of the opinion that it's the number of plotlines or characters that govern whether a film feels overstuffed or not; it's to do with how well the plot and scenes fit together, about making sure every plotline gets the right amount of screentime (not too much, not too little), and about making sure the pacing feels right. Batman Begins had five villains and myriad subplots and still felt streamlined, whilst Spider-Man 2 felt bloated despite its relatively thin plot. Spidey 3, to its credit, goes for a fairly straightforward spine consisting of Peter's decaying personal relationships and his struggle with his dark side, with various other plot points introduced to act as catalysts at various points over the course of that arc. The problem arises with Raimi's unnecessary desion to assign each of these catalyst plots to a different comic book legend, each of whom come with so many narrative strings attached that the film gets horribly tangled up by them. Peter's having trouble with his friend...the new Green Goblin! Peter and MJ's relationship is threatened by another girl...Gwen Stacy! Peter is driven further down the dark path when his uncle's real killer is revealed...Sandman! Peter is fully seduced by the dark side by an external force...the Venom symbiote! Inevitably, Raimi finds himself hugely overcommitted, compelled by 40 years' worth of comic book tradition and fan demand to include lengthy backstories for characters who are, in the context of this story, merely plot devices; as such, what we end up seeing are a bunch of half-baked mini-arcs (Flint Marko's story, Gwen/Captain Stacy, Eddie Brock/Venom) which feel unsatisfying and superfluous, because Raimi had neither the time nor the desire to develop them.

It's this mishandling of these great characters that meant that I didn't really get much of a kick out of it as a Spider-Fan, either. Tobey Maguire and Kirsten Dunst continue to play Peter and MJ as a pair of whiny, self-obsessed and horribly bland wet fish (and they are just terrible in any scene of high emotion); James Franco does his best, but doesn't have enough about him to make Harry a villain with any presence at all (his amnesia plotline seemed contrived and redundant); Rosemary Harris's Aunt May does nothing but irritate me; Thomas Haden Church is a fine actor, but all his Flint Marko does nothing but mumble glumly in the two minutes of screentime he gets as an actual human rather than a roaring, morphing and flying (???) CG giant who feels more like The Mummy than the Sandman from the comics; Bryce Dallas Howard and James Cromwell have nothing to work with as the Stacys; and, sorry to disagree with you Mr Marshmallow, but to my eyes the main obstacle against introducing the Lizard in this series is that Dylan Baker is a completely bland, unprepossessing nonentity as Curt Connors.

Special mention must go to the symbiote arc, though; I just can't see how anyone could be satisfied with its hamfisted, half-baked treatment here. The damn thing just falls from the sky practically onto Peter's head in probably the laziest bit of writing I've ever seen, latches on, and transforms him from a geeky superhero into...a geeky superhero who's a bit cocky. And that's it. Now, I didn't mind the Saturday Night Fever/The Mask-esque Jackass Dancing Peter sequence as much as a lot of people (it was somewhat amusing, and it made Maguire seem almost charismatic for a moment), but you're telling me that's the effect of the black suit? That's the most prominent illustrated example of the "intoxicating power" of the symbiote? That's not only an insult to all the fans who'd waited to see that plotline realised in a movie, but it also makes no sense within this plotline; if the only effect we actually see the symbiote having is turning Peter into a jerk, how are we meant to understand why he even puts it on? Worst of all, though, is the fact that using the symbiote plotline has the biggest string of all attached: namely, that it must precede the misguided introduction of Venom, a character who Raimi doesn't like and that the movie's structure does not need and actually suffers for by the time he's introduced. I felt Topher Grace actually put in the movie's best performance as Eddie Brock, in that he actually had some charisma, but it didn't change the fact that everything about him and Venom felt unenthusiastically tacked on and rushed, and I don't think anyone wanted to see him done that way...:(


Man.


I'm just going to stop right there, because I've been at this for hours, and I still haven't gone through everything I thought was wrong with the movie. I know almost all of you here really liked it, so I feel kind of bad for laying into it like this, but the plain and simple fact is that I really struggle to think of anything that I thought it did right, no matter from which perspective I look at it; as a film, as entertainment, as an adaptation,or as a fan service, it just doesn't seem to work for me on any level. :( I think that's it for me and the Spider-Man movie series now; 2 left me with a lot of conflicted feelings about the franchise, but 3 has cleared those doubts right up. The first movie I'll have to rewatch, because I remember loving it when it first came out, even if it didn't hold up so well to repeat viewings - could be to do with the fact that David Koepp (Jurassic Park, War of the Worlds, Indiana Jones 4) wrote that one instead of Alvin Sargent and Sam Raimi on 2 and 3 - but certainly I'll be happy if I never have to watch Spider-Man 2 or Spider-Man 3 ever again. And that's the sad truth. :macwor:

Geez, Ditchy, I think you just made Spider-Man cry. I applaud you for taking a stance in thread that is in complete opposition with most of what you said though. I just hope the whole thing hasn't soured you on Sam Raimi.

You know, for liking the movie as much as I did, I only have three problems: Venom needed more tongue, they needed to double up Topher Grace's voice and deepen it to make it sound like the symbiote was also talking, and lastly Venom should have referred to himself as "we".

I'll be honest Ditchy, I think that's a bit too harsh. Not even the critics have ever gone that far down on a movie before, and I've read ALOT of bad reviews from critics over horror movies, unnecessary sequels and etc. I really personally think your not giving the film any credit or support for doing such a hard job.

Everyone was fearing this would be the last Spider man, and the one thing I will give credit to, the one thing that I will firmly stand by is that Sam Raimi did his BEST to wrap the movie up and improve on the flaws from each film. There was no gurantee there'd be another Spidey flick and with that in mind, he did his best to give us a last hurrah.

He did basically everything he could have done: he gave us another classic villain (Sandman), he wrapped up Harry's storyline, and he introduced another large milestone event in Spider man's life (the symbiote and Venom). Some films have tried to wrap everything up and done it in a much poorer fashion.

X-men 3 comes to mind, even though that movie had some down right bad ass sequences like the bridge and the final fight with dark Phoneix. But I really didn't feel rushed with this movie, I think it gave enough time to give enough decent screen time to each problem, and each character.

I personally love Venom and would have loved to see more of him but I was impressed at how strong his prescence became, and I felt that he did a much better job then Dr. Octopus in 2. Both had less then longer time but at least Venom really took control of the screen and made use of his time.

I don't wanna rip apart your review and I will stand firmly by my view that Spider man 3 is an amazing film and an impressive attempt to do so much in one film. Only other thing I have to say is that "Batman Beings" really didn't have 5 villains, it was more like 2: Scarecrow and Ra's Al Gul.

Guys like Falconi and anyone else were just kind of filler, Gul and Scarecrow were the real villains they were leading up to, you can tell because of how Batman movies usually treat gangsters. Once the freaks come in, the gangster get the boot, look at what Joker did to Grisham and the mob in the first movie.

Well, maybe Rocket Racer would be an improvement...

Mr. Marshmallow: "A bit too harsh"? 8D I basically just eviscerated a movie that you really liked; I would have thought you'd have a stronger reaction than that!

LOL, no, seriously, I appreciate that respected my opinion enough to read what I had to say and then offer comment in repsonse, as opposed to blithely shouting me down like many other message board-types would. :frankiesmile:

I know that my criticism of the movie there, just like my critique of Spider-Man 2 earlier in the topic, went much further than any critic I've ever read, but to be honest, I guess that's part of the reason why I go so far; because sometimes I feel like I'm alone in regarding these movies in this way. Spidey 2 was one of the most critically adored mainstream movies in the last few years, and for all the flak Spidey 3's copped, no one seems to go much further than saying that it's "disappointing" or "not that great". As far as I'm concerned, that's just astonishing; as you can probably tell from my posts here, I found 2 and 3 to be really, really terrible films that missed nearly every mark they aimed for, with aspects that seemed so badly done to me that I'm astonished they could have occured in such a high-profile tentpole movie. I can't really think of any other situation where my opinion differs so wildly from the general consensus, and to be honest, I sometimes wonder if the rest of the world is insane, or if I am. :wiltshock: It's like you and me now, Mr M; I'm reading your posts, and I know we've both watched the exact same movie, but at the same time it feels like we can't be, because you've somehow come away with the exact opposite reaction in pretty much every way. That's why, like you said, I don't want to start unpicking your opinions, because I can just see it would be pointless and kind of unpleasant. I've put my opinion out there, and I hope I've illustrated and explained it well enough for people to understand where I'm coming from, even if they don't agree. :frankiesmile:

Oh, and on the Batman Begins point, you're right; I'm really just regurgitating a slightly disingenuous figure that people throw around about that film. I mean, I would say that Falcone had an anatagonist role significant enough to count as a villain, even if he wasn't a "supervillain", maybe even Earle (the slimy Wayne Corporation executive) at a stretch, but to get five you have to cheat and count people like the decoy Ra's or Joe Chill. Still, my point stands that I thought that Batman Begins juggled far more complex plotlines and characterisations without feeling as bloated as the plot-lite Spidey 2...

AerostarMonk: Sorry dude, but when a guy makes two films in a row that I hold in such low esteem as Spidey 2and 3, I can't help but get a little down on him. :( It's a shame too, because Sam Raimi seems a nice guy, a real honest filmmaker and a genuine fan. Moreover, I've enjoyed a lot of the other stuff I've seen of his; Evil Dead was fun, A Simple Plan was a great little morality tale, and indeed, I liked Spider-Man enough to see it three times in the cinema. Thing is, they say you're only as good as your last film, so in my eyes that doesn't make Sam Raimi very good at all...

PS - Just in case my negativity is getting you down too much, here's a tidbit to show you just how much I'm in the minority here; the opening weekend box office estimates are in, and Spider-Man 3 has snagged an estimated $148 million :wiltshock: (for reference, the second placed movie, Disturbia, grossed $5.7 million :wiltshock: ). That breaks...well, pretty much every record going, actually, but that's not even all; the movie has additionally grossed a frankly ludicrous $227 million overseas, giving it a worldwide box office take of $375 million after three days. :wiltshock::wiltshock: So, uh, whatever my complaints about Spider-Man 2 and 3, at least they'll now get Spider-Man 4,5,6,7 and 8 to put it right. Maybe we will get to Walrus, Big Wheel and Turner D. Century after all. :P

I know, its crazy! $375 million dollars! That's just, wow! Bad word of mouth or not, this movie has made it's money and the only thing left is either switching out directors or letting Raimi take a much needed break.

I do hope this movie beats Pirates. Not many people probably know this, but I think that franchise is the most overrated crap to come out in cinema in many a year. Just movies not worthy of the high praise they get. And Johnny Depp being nominated for Sparrow as opposed to all of his other, superior roles. I'd rather watch 10 Fantastic Four sequels than see POTC go through another cycle.

I am so glad someone agrees with me. The only thing saving POTC is Johnny Depp. And as great as he is, he can't save that load.