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Tonya 01-07-2007 02:53 PM

Things you like/hate about cartoons
 
What do you like or hate about them?
I like toons because they make you laugh :)! I can't think of anything that I hate about cartoons, exept for that some of them are quite violent now these days :(. I don't like violence....

Cassini90125 01-07-2007 03:02 PM

I don't like the increasing use of "gross-out" humor in a lot of the newer cartoons. It isn't necessary; look at Foster's, to take the obvious example. The show is funny and it doesn't rely on bodily functions for it's humor.

Medikor 01-07-2007 06:37 PM

I don't mind some violance in my cartoons but I can't handle bloodbaths and swearing just for the sake of swearing. The most violant cartoon I watch is Full Metal Alchemist but that show is very intellagent and heartwarming. The crudest cartoon I watch is The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy but that show has its momants and I can't get enough of Grey Delisle!
I'm very displeased with the direction that animated sitcoms like The Simpsons are takeing - drop the substance and love for the rude, crude and blood.:(

Jabberwocky 01-07-2007 06:43 PM

I hate when the animators get lazy and pan the image to make it look like a character is moving. Yaaa! I can run and jump with my limbs perfectly stiillllll!

Imaginary Light 01-08-2007 12:07 PM

I can't stand it when cartoons rely on toilet humor 95% of the time. Those shows should take a page from Craig McCracken's book and make a quality cartoon.

some guy you dont know 01-08-2007 02:44 PM

love cartoons. for the following reasons:

*theyre funny. no explaniation here.

*there usually unrealistic. i dont like realism in tv. i watch it for the reason alone that its not realistic.

*other stuff i cant think of right now.

why i dont like em:

*cant think of any reason why not right now. i dont have a problem with the violence, since thats more or less what ive grown up on anyways. OH YEAH, NOW I GOT ONE! the toilet humor. a little may be funny, but seriously not much more than maybe 6% of the show.

Howard 01-08-2007 03:00 PM

Reality is funny enough without the bodily functions to use in a cartoon!:frankiesmile:

scary_dream 01-08-2007 07:30 PM

I love cartoons because they're a great escape, among other reasons. I agree with everyone here, though, that the increase in toilet humor has been a detriment to many cartoons. I think if a cartoon uses nonstop jokes like that, they're SEVERELY cutting their audience to like, a third of what it could have been. It's like they're shooting themselves in the feet.

I like anime for the stories the various shows tell, but I don't like that a lot of the girls are drawn to fit teenage boys' fantasies - large breasts, tiny waists, long legs, and skimpy, skimpy clothes. I'm not just saying this because I'm a girl, either, because the anime guys ARE drawn muscular and handsome, but that's to be expected if they're going to be a hero - they fit into the "hero" persona. Plus, a real guy looking muscular like an anime guy is actually POSSIBLE. Most real girls will never be 5'9" with DD breasts and a 20" waist. SO unrealistic.

fosters home fan 01-08-2007 07:46 PM

likes: pretty much everything! Like I enjoy seeing blue blobs and robots that dress up like a dog!8D


dislikes:bad animation and toilet humor!Bleh It's just gross:jk:

kageri 01-08-2007 08:38 PM

The thing I hate most about the toilet humor thing is that the creators themselves are perpetuating the stereotypes of cartoons in general. Come on, guys! You make cartoons! Don't you want people to respect them?

Voxxyn 01-08-2007 09:20 PM

I hate it when cartoons meant to be children/family-friendly become overly absorbed in cynicism and irony, and thus the stories become upsetting and even cruel.

Sadly, as much as I love Foster's, it used to be very guilty of that--you probably already know which episodes I'm talking about. I'm glad that Season 4 was such a wonderful rebound after the show's magic was nearly ruined by the first half of Season 3. I hope that Season 5 will continue the current high, and that there will never again be another hurtful and meanspirited mess like "Imposter's Home".

Please don't single me out as "some treehugger who wants everything to be 100% happy", because I'm NOT. And please don't use Looney Tunes or any other kind of slapstick cartoon humor as rationale for such needless cruelty, because these are COMPLETELY different kinds of "pain" in completely different circumstances. In my opinion, the physical torture endured by the Looney Tunes gang is a more pleasant fate than the emotional and psychological malice in the worst episodes of Foster's.

Mr. Marshmallow 01-08-2007 10:09 PM

There's only one thing I hate about cartoons, and one thing only: Censorship. It needs to wander out into a street and get run over by a greyhound bus.....again and again and again and AGAIN! Seriously, I can't freaking stand censored toons.

Mostly in part with any use, mentioning, or related incidents to death or many of the several D words toons avoid. Death, dying, dead, die etc. Every time I watch Teen Titans, it bothers me when a character wants to die and instead she says "destroy me".

Or "you attempted you destroy us". Come on, this is pathetic. Disney's cartoons have featured people being impaled by sea ships, boiled in lava, strangled to death, and shown an actual version of Hell and the devil in the Hercules movie. If Disney can talk about death, I don't think it's too hard for others to do so.

It bothers me that cartoons are being tampered with just because people are afraid children might wake up one day and realize when you get hurt....YOU BLEED and you might also die. I'm not saying shove death all over in toons, but I don't think acting like it doesn't exist in cartoons is any better.

Cassini90125 01-09-2007 06:56 AM

Good point. During the entire Scooby-Doo series, over 300+ episodes, I recall them using the word "dead" just once. This on a show that dealt with ghosts, zombies, and other dead things every week? Give me a break.

Voxxyn 01-09-2007 07:12 AM

SpongeBob SquarePants uses "dead" and "kill" as an expression of speech in nearly every single episode. I find it interesting that a cutesy children's show like that can get away with such, yet it's somehow inappropiate for an action-packed and intense toon like Teen Titans.

Howard 01-09-2007 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Voxxyn (Post 27695)
SpongeBob SquarePants uses "dead" and "kill" as an expression of speech in nearly every single episode. I find it interesting that a cutesy children's show like that can get away with such, yet it's somehow inappropiate for an action-packed and intense toon like Teen Titans.

It is interesting what they consider appropriate, or inappropriate. That bit with Sponge Bob makes no lick of since to me; I don't get it. I am really starting to guage other cartoons off of Foster's in appropriate content. But remember - the US is an Orwellian society (which I hate).:frankiesmile:

Medikor 01-09-2007 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Marshmallow (Post 27668)
There's only one thing I hate about cartoons, and one thing only: Censorship. It needs to wander out into a street and get run over by a greyhound bus.....again and again and again and AGAIN! Seriously, I can't freaking stand censored toons.

Mostly in part with any use, mentioning, or related incidents to death or many of the several D words toons avoid. Death, dying, dead, die etc. Every time I watch Teen Titans, it bothers me when a character wants to die and instead she says "destroy me".

Or "you attempted you destroy us". Come on, this is pathetic. Disney's cartoons have featured people being impaled by sea ships, boiled in lava, strangled to death, and shown an actual version of Hell and the devil in the Hercules movie. If Disney can talk about death, I don't think it's too hard for others to do so.

It bothers me that cartoons are being tampered with just because people are afraid children might wake up one day and realize when you get hurt....YOU BLEED and you might also die. I'm not saying shove death all over in toons, but I don't think acting like it doesn't exist in cartoons is any better.

What we really need is another "Gargoyles" to show how a great cartoon can be done. It was dark, mature and violant but it was still family friendly and very intellagent.
I'll never forget when Goliath caught that sword in his hand and we see blood start to drip from his hand in the first episode, or when Xanatos said one of my favorite lines ever "Pay a man enough and he'll walk barefooted to hell". All this on an afterschool cartoon.

Partymember 01-09-2007 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by duck2k (Post 27711)
It is interesting what they consider appropriate, or inappropriate. That bit with Sponge Bob makes no lick of since to me; I don't get it. I am really starting to guage other cartoons off of Foster's in appropriate content. But remember - the US is an Orwellian society (which I hate).:frankiesmile:

Well, many many Spongebob fans are adults, so i guess it would be able to slide.

and we are SO 1984...

Carlaz 01-09-2007 12:03 PM

Things I like about cartoons:
  • The hours of entertainment.
  • Creative escape from everyday life.
  • A well written cartoon & characters can bridge several generations. Eg: Flinstones, Scooby Doo.

Things I dislike about cartoons:
  • Mindless or poorly written episodes.
  • Poor character development or uninteresting characters.
  • "Toilet" humor.
  • Unnecessary carnage.

Jabberwocky 01-09-2007 01:12 PM

Spongebob isn't really a kiddie show.

...

Well, I like to think it isn't. XD


The death thing is what ruins a lot of dialogue. Look at YuGiOh. I'm going to killerrrrimean SEND YOU TO THE SHADOW REALM.

Ricky Fieldmouse 01-09-2007 01:42 PM

I hate cartoons that have so much bland humor, that it's not really humor at all. *SquirrellBoyCOUGHCOUGH*

MISSION: Destroy 4Kids.

Mr. Marshmallow 01-09-2007 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Cassini90125 (Post 27692)
Good point. During the entire Scooby-Doo series, over 300+ episodes, I recall them using the word "dead" just once. This on a show that dealt with ghosts, zombies, and other dead things every week? Give me a break.

It's funny you should mention Scooby Doo because when the LIVE action movie came out, I remember parents were complaining about it, saying that it was bad for a kid's movie to have scary images, monsters, and ghostly visuals in the movie. And I just asked myself "What the HELL is wrong with you people?".

Scooby Doo is all ABOUT monsters, ghouls, and goblins and crap. What'd you expect, a fluffy fuzzy bunny demon who looks like Mickey Mouse? Cartoons don't need adult, mature stuff in them 24/7 but kids do need a concept of REALITY. Even in animation, people die and people bleed, it's apart of our life.

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Originally Posted by Medikor (Post 27714)
What we really need is another "Gargoyles" to show how a great cartoon can be done. It was dark, mature and violant but it was still family friendly and very intellagent. or when Xanatos said one of my favorite lines ever "Pay a man enough and he'll walk barefooted to hell". All this on an afterschool cartoon.

Gargoyles was an excellent example of how bad ass a Disney show can be, I've never seen a darker Disney show then that. I remember they even had Demona claw some kid's face out, and you see him holding his face with blood coming out of his hands. Although I don't recall the "hell" line.

Another stupid thing they use to censor toons, guns. Look at the 90's Spider-man series, Teen Titans, The Batman, they have freaking laser guns and high tech future weapons we'd normally see in Star Wars or Futurama. Bonkers and Darkwing showed real guns and bullets.

Medikor 01-09-2007 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Marshmallow (Post 27762)
Another stupid thing they use to censor toons, guns. Look at the 90's Spider-man series, Teen Titans, The Batman, they have freaking laser guns and high tech future weapons we'd normally see in Star Wars or Futurama. Bonkers and Darkwing showed real guns and bullets.

I think the "differance", if any, is that cartoon characters can take abuse where animated people (debatable differance I guess) can't. I don't understand the logic behind it but I do try to make even a little sence of it.

Wendi 01-09-2007 02:55 PM

I think i will be the only person on this board who is gonna say this: I don't mind toilet humor.

some people base the whole thing on this. I don't LOL.

Anyways. WHAT I LIKE ABOUT CARTOONS.

I love Traditional style animation. Like... LOVE it! It's awesome when you see that cartoons are still animated this way!! of course people are still going to use computers to do this, but I love when you can still tell it was drawn frame from frame.

What I don't like.

The over use of computers in animation. DON'T GET ME WRONG. I like Foster's flash animation because its good! but I'm sick of 3D movie cartoons, and stuff. DD: I guess because I want to study 2d animation and storyboarding, and I don't want 2D animation to be dead. HEUHEUHEE...


but whatever.


cartoons are cool.

BlooCheese 01-09-2007 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Marshmallow (Post 27762)
Cartoons don't need adult, mature stuff in them 24/7 but kids do need a concept of REALITY. Even in animation, people die and people bleed, it's apart of our life.

I wholeheartedly agree.

It's nice to shade the kids from violence and pretend that death does not exist, but one day, they will find out. Isn't living in a realm of falsified security in which everything is perfectly happy, only to be devastated when reality makes itself known much worse than already knowing beforehand that horrible things do happen and being prepared for the worst? Children need to be aware that dying is a possibility and that the red stuff that oozes out of them is blood.

But I'm not saying, "Let's turn all the cartoons into gory shows!"

I like cartoons because they give me a chance to laugh. A lot of times, I find cartoons to be much more entertaining than shows with real people in them.

emperor26 01-09-2007 05:40 PM

What I like about cartoons-You can voice anyone, from a ten year old kid to an alien of unknown origin.

What I don't like about cartoons-Stereotypes. It seems some cartoons glorifies it like it's a good thing.

frankie_fan 01-09-2007 06:57 PM

What I really love about cartoons is its use of sound effects. Ever since watching the Road Runner cartoons, I've grown to love cartoon sound effects, especially the really popular ones.

The only thing I don't like about cartoons (American ones at least) is how it can sometimes go from laugh out comedy to a dramatic moment. I really can't think of an example now, but I'm sure you know what I mean.

kageri 01-09-2007 08:50 PM

The talk about censorship reminded me of an incident where 4Kids edited One Piece (which I don't watch) so that a cigarette became a lollipop. A LOLLIPOP.

The thing I hate about "destroy" instead of "kill" is that it gives a line a different meaning entirely. "Destroy" seems more like a psychological torment or something to me than actually killing someone. Plus, if they meant the same thing they probably wouldn't have used either.

Mr. Marshmallow 01-09-2007 09:28 PM

Cartoons have alot of ways like that, it really does give off a very warped perception of death when you think about it. When Slade died in the Teen Titans show and they very VERY clearly showed him as a rotting skull faced zombie when his mask came off.

Slade simply said "he has a condition", no, condition is what you say when you got a cold or something, the guy was DEAD and he went to hell, condition my ass. There was a joke about the "destroy" word in Looney Tunes: Back in action movie. The Acme Chairman (Steve Martin) was telling this to Marvin the Martian.

"Memo to Marvin the martian, I want you to destroy the duck. And when I say destroy, I mean kill him, obliterate him, make him dead".

It was just a funny poke at the misconception of "death" and "destroy" in it's place. All censor negativity aside, one thing I LOOOOOOOVE about cartoons.....seeing toons blush, it's by far the cutest thing toons do.

Be it in anime or regular cartoons, seeing them blush makes me love animated romances much more then regular RL movie ones.

Medikor 01-10-2007 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by kageri (Post 27840)
The talk about censorship reminded me of an incident where 4Kids edited One Piece (which I don't watch) so that a cigarette became a lollipop. A LOLLIPOP.

The thing I hate about "destroy" instead of "kill" is that it gives a line a different meaning entirely. "Destroy" seems more like a psychological torment or something to me than actually killing someone. Plus, if they meant the same thing they probably wouldn't have used either.


You would hate what Funnimation did to DragonBall Z then. It's sad really.
One thing that I will always like about cartoons is that they are something you can share with you're children. I've been trying to collect all my favorite shows (mostly from the 80's like the original Transformers and Ninja Turtles but new favorites like Fosters too) on dvd so I'll have them to share with children that I hope to have someday.

Fomalhaut 01-10-2007 08:02 AM

What I like:

- Cartoons that are drawn in a way in which you DO see that proportions etc. are quite, euh, changed, BUT! In that universe it looks fine. Good examples are Foster's, PPG, and Dexter's Laboratory. A bad example is KND (the universe, okay, and seeing everything, okay, but those HUGE hands and feet bothered me. A lot.).
- They make me laugh and forget my worries. Since I watch Foster's, I also feel somewhat more balanced.

Things I hate:

- Cartoons drawn in such a horrid way it's unbearable to see, just to make it look different than the others. Take Ed, Edd n Eddy - I simply COULDN'T BEAR watching it for the horrid animation style, despite the fact I liked it... it took me a while to get accustomed to it. And look at the head of the boy in Squirrel Boy.
- Potty humor. It can be fine, as it was in the initial episodes of Billy and Mandy, but then it got too much over the show and I was no longer their fan.
- Avoiding touchy subjects - and I'm not only talking about death, which the people above me have already finely described, so I won't go into further details why. Now, I don't say a cartoon has to be all drama and tears, but laughing out all along just to make me smile makes me turn off the TV. Man, I don't think seeing a little drama, love (not hardcore sex, obviously) or blood will traumatise children!
- Cardboard characters or no depth (Cramp Twins, not to mention the horrid drawing style), and character stupidities. I don't remember where, but once there were some characters which needed to go find the spring of a river to see why it has dried off. Fine, but there was a part of the riverbed which was covered with stingy weeds. You'd think they'll pick up a hatchet or walk by the side of the riverbed, but nooo, they actually DID CRAWL IN THE MIDDLE OF IT and kept on crying "Ow, spines...!". That hurt.
-> another thing here is PERSONALITY. Seriously, I have seen a cartoon in which one moment a character hid under the bed "Aah, I'm scared!" and two seconds later turned into a courageous hero. I mean, come on.

Anime:

- Poorly drawn ones. I know lots of anime aren't famous exactly for the great style, but in certain ones it's so evident it makes me cry. E.g., a character is walking, but you see its movements in pieces. You can totally see they used, like 4 or 5 drawings to make him/her walk down a hallway. Or, in an episode of Pokémon there was a scene with people queueing in front of a shop, and then get bored and go away. Well, instead of taking up the VERY DIFFICULT task of making some of them turn around and walk off, they simply made part of the queue DISAPPEAR. It was horrible.
-> Yet, there are anime in which you can see the people MOVE and queues do not disappear or such. Shaman King and Nadia: Secret of the Blue Water are among the best examples.
- Lots of anime are bloody. VERY bloody. If it's unnecessary, I hate it, but a little blood doesn't hurt, it' still better than one of the scenes in Pokémon where a character picked up a rose, and said "Ow, it stung me, look!", but you couldn't see anything.
- Hentai. 'Nuff said.
-> Bloody anime. Heck, not EVERYTHING that is drawn is made for kids! Look at Hellsing (not the cartoon, that was dumb, but the OVA based on the original manga), for example. Blood and death, yeah, but it's not just for the sake of horrifying poor people, as there IS plot and at least they realised you can't have ghouls and vampries without blood. Dragonball was a baaad example: there was plot, actually, but 90% of episodes went with Goku and crew beating up evil guyz. With lots of unnecessary blood in addition, and it soon got boring. In Hellsing, 10% of an episode is spilling blood, okay, but there IS dialogue and other stuff, not only *punch punch* "OW!!!". That's why I love Hellsing (what is more, the characters have depth and personality!) and hate Dragonball.

That's it for me, will add if anything else comes to my mind.

kageri 01-10-2007 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Marshmallow (Post 27847)
All censor negativity aside, one thing I LOOOOOOOVE about cartoons.....seeing toons blush, it's by far the cutest thing toons do.

Be it in anime or regular cartoons, seeing them blush makes me love animated romances much more then regular RL movie ones.

Agreed, because even though blushing is supposedly a real-life phenomenon, I've never actually, y'know, seen anyone do it. Only cartoon characters can blush properly.

fosters home fan 01-10-2007 11:17 AM

ugh
 
Geez HOW could I forget this one?!
POLITICAL CORRECTNESS!

Fomalhaut 01-10-2007 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by fosters home fan (Post 27888)
Geez HOW could I forget this one?!
POLITICAL CORRECTNESS!


What, where? Examples please!

billytheskink 01-10-2007 12:19 PM

The only thing I hate about cartoons is when people make bad ones. Happens far too often if you ask me.

Mr. Marshmallow 01-10-2007 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by kageri (Post 27887)
Agreed, because even though blushing is supposedly a real-life phenomenon, I've never actually, y'know, seen anyone do it. Only cartoon characters can blush properly.

That's the thing though, we KNOW blushing exists but we can't really see it, we can only tell someone likes someone through other facial features. But with toons, it's SO much more visual and that's what i love about it. It's so damn cute.

Anime does this really well, characters from Dragon Ball for example, hanging their heads and smiling bashfully as their cheeks go red, it's so lovable. Now Foster's doesn't really have that but that's fine, the flash animation actually shows their facial features very well.

Now in regards to anime being

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Poorly drawn ones. I know lots of anime aren't famous exactly for the great style, but in certain ones it's so evident it makes me cry. E.g., a character is walking, but you see its movements in pieces. You can totally see they used, like 4 or 5 drawings to make him/her walk down a hallway.
I don't find that a fair attack. Anime is cheap because they ARE cheap, as in literally, Japan animators do not have the money to animate their characters as fluently and fluidly as we do in America, that's why they look this way. That's why anime characters stand still like statues when they talk.

It's not a choice it's something they have to deal with. You gotta understand, it's a whole different system in Japan then it is here, values, morals, beliefs, views. Big difference, big culture. Also, just like in America, certain Animes are drawn with different styles.

Take the movie "Spirited Away" that is a specific and unique design of the animator's styling, totally different from others. Same with Dragon Ball, Trigun, Neon Genesis Evangelion, and so on and so forth. Every animator brings their own unique touch to anime.

frankie_fan 01-10-2007 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Marshmallow (Post 27909)
That's the thing though, we KNOW blushing exists but we can't really see it, we can only tell someone likes someone through other facial features. But with toons, it's SO much more visual and that's what i love about it. It's so damn cute.

Anime does this really well, characters from Dragon Ball for example, hanging their heads and smiling bashfully as their cheeks go red, it's so lovable. Now Foster's doesn't really have that but that's fine, the flash animation actually shows their facial features very well.

I know. That's another of my favourite things about cartoons! Seeing them blush makes me laugh. :frankiesmile:

megatron01 01-10-2007 04:13 PM

Violent cartoon ever made
 
In Japan, there is this cartoon called Genocyber, and it is really violent. Blood, gore, showing people's organs, it is very disgusting to many people. What makes me mad is that the cartoons that Japan releases into the US , are CENSORED all because of the FCC's strict guidelines. That's why Ren and Stimpy was cancelled on Nick , because there were too many things that Nick hated in the cartoon, so finally they fired John Kricfalusi, and started making Ren and Stimpy cartoons without the staff at SPUMCO. Cartoon censorship is making the show creators very angry, and ruining the 1st Amendment, and we need to stop the FCC before they censor something else! :( :terrence: :frankiemad: You see these smilies? That's how the characters on FOSTER's feel on cartoon censorship.

fosters home fan 01-10-2007 04:13 PM

here they are
 
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Originally Posted by Fomalhaut (Post 27891)
What, where? Examples please!

Here they are.http://looney.goldenagecartoons.com/ltcuts/

Plus there are other 's from Invader ZIM(not on that site)

Here is that sitehttp://www.buzzyworld.com/zim/archives/deleted.html

megatron01 01-10-2007 04:22 PM

Go to www.youtube.com, and type in "Genocyber"
You'll see what I'm talking about...

I'm getting tired of the network executives and the FCC pushing the cartoon creators around! Cartoon censorship should be ELIMINATED ONCE AND FOR ALL!!!!!

This is how the characters of FOSTER's feel on cartoon censorship: :terrence: :( :macwor: :frankiemad:

The GOVERNMENT and the NETWORK EXECUTIVES should learn that we love cartoons, and we love to see them UNCUT and UNEDITED, PERIOD.

I also want to study cartooning in the tratidional 2D way, because I absolutely HATE 3D animation. Its replacing 2D animation, and I don't want that to happen. I just think cartoons are easier when you draw them, but in order to design a cartoon character for a Macromedia Flash movie, you have to use Adobe Illustrator to create a model, and you must use the pen tool to do that. I absolutely hate the pen tool. Don't get me wrong, I want to use Macromedia Flash for my cartoon projects in the near future. I just want to become a cartoonist/animator without going to college.
:frankiesmile:

taranchula 01-10-2007 04:48 PM

Whoa dude I know you feel pretty strongly about this, but back to back posting is not allowed.


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