Ok, Here are two Questions to all Goofball haters,

1
If Goofball was so Bad, wHy did all the IF at fosters like Goofball?

2
How would things have been different if Frankie believed Goofball was an IF from the begining?

Monty :-/

1) i dunno

2) Because he would have been taking advantage of her moreso than Bloo does, its her job to clean up after IF's, not humans with a clown nose.

The fact that the other IFs raised no objections to Goofball's actions makes things worse, not better.

Goofball would've still been a reckless jerk, and Frankie would've still been horribly mistreated.

Are you kidding?! Come to think of it, I totally hate Goofball! He was nothing but a total jerk! He should die and go to H-E-double hockey sticks!

It's his fault that Frankie didn't go to the concert! Besides, remember when he smirked at Frankie after Mr. Herriman said she couldn't go to the concert? I bet he just wanted Frankie to go to the extremes just so she could miss her concert! >:(

*Bleep* Goofball! *Bleep* Goofball to *bleep*!

(long pause with others staring at me in shock. I then chuckle nervously with a nervous toothy grin.) He he. Sorry.

Yes, Goofball was definitely the north end of a southbound donkey!8D :frankiesmile:

i'm starting a fund to help me build my time machine so i can bring Frankie back to see a Ramones concert.

come to think of it, i'll need a machine to bring me into the cartoon world as well...

Frankie missing the concert is due both to Goofball and to Frankie; Goofball because of his actions, Frankie because of her responsibility she took up on her self when she agreed to take the job of keeping up the house. While we can feel sympathetic for Frankie, she was basically bound to clean the messes up due to the fact that that's her job. She didn't deserve what happened to her, but that's life.

Also, I doubt Goofball had the foresight or intelligence to plan out Frankie missing the concert, especially since there's no evidence (that I can recall) of him having ever had the chance to know Frankie was going to a concert before the part where Herriman told her she couldn't go. I think his smirk was more just him being a smug jerk and thinking the current situation was funny.

Frankie already works very hard to keep the house in order and almost never gets appreciated. She worked EXTRA HARD just to make sure that the house wouldn't collapse from Goofball's carelessness... only to miss the concert so that she could do even more work.

There are tough days and there are bad days. And then there's the viciously rotten and callous experience that the day with Goofball was. IMO, absolutely no one outside of murderers deserve to go through that kind of experience. To see someone like Frankie go through that was just upsetting to no end.

It's not fair or acceptable at all. It shouldn't be. Goofball should NOT be let off the hook just because he was a legitimate IF.

It's good that you don't let the episode upset you as much as it does others. But I hope you realize that you will NEVER be able to change my mind on this.

I'm not attempting to change you, or anyone elses, minds Voxxyn. All I'm trying to do is get my voice and opinion out on this topic.

And I have repeatedly stated that I didn't find what happened to Frankie to be acceptable or deserved. I think it sucks what she had to go through, but at the same time, that's life. We've all had days like Frankie has in this instance, which is the one thing I really find admirable about the episode; it's at least a fair reindition of several days I've had before. Perhaps not to the exact scale of Frankie's, but similiar.

Merely out of curiousity, though, what exactly do you think Goofball's punishment should have been?

At the very least, he should have been made to clean the entire house, top to bottom, and been made to do it repeatedly until he got it right.

Make Goofball clean every inch of the house with a toothbrush, including the toilets. That would be the most common cartoon form of punishment.

Now if you wanna go medieval on his ass, I suggest the more barbaric yet ironically more "fairy tale" form of punishment I heard about in the infamously gorey "Brothers Grimm" fairytails:

Put him in a barrel with jagged nails and spikes, lock it up, tie it to the saddle of a horse and then have the horse ride on at full speed with Goofball getting kicked around in the barrell of spikes and nails.

I think that next time the Fake-Outz or any other band that Frankie likes come to perform in/near Wilson Way, when the concert is done(which Frankie would attend as V.I.P.), Goofball should be forced to clean and scrub the stadium 100% spotless from top-to-bottom all by his own. Yes, the entire stadium.

Since he's not exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer, there would preferably be a small group of big and menacing security men to 'monitor' him(but not assist with the actual cleaning, of course).

My problem with that logic is this, Cassini:

Lets take a hypothetical trip to the store with your hypothetical little brother. While at the store, you're little brother is messing around with a jar of pickles and drops it, shattering the glass and making pickles, pickle juice, and glass scatter every which way. The store will, most likely, call maintenance to clean up the mess while you will be expected to pay for the damage.

So the problem here is this: being Frankie's job, she is obliged to clean up any messes made in the house. Meanwhile, the person who has made the mess (Goofball) wouldn't be made to clean it up. He could, however, be expected to pay for damages (the houses' food he ate, ect.) and thus that could possibly logically be forced on his family. And, to a degree, I think that could be a possibility, considering Goofball wasn't abandoned or given up, but had come to the House on his own accord, possibly with the sole intent of mooching for awhile.

Just my two cents, really.

I grant that, however this is one of those cases where logic goes out the window, as there's a lot of emotion involved. From my perspective, the only thing I can see is that the woman I love suffered a horrendous day, and the source of that suffering must be made to pay for it, and pay in full.

The only problem with that is letting things that are personal get in the way of reasoning. Granted, I hate Goofball's treatment of Frankie but if I was in a position to punishmen him, I know it wouldn't help if I went ballistic on him.

I can see your side Cass but I do think it's important to keep anger and personal issues in check when doing something that regards punishing another.

Just my 4 cents.

I agree. However, in some cases that can be very difficult, even impossible. For me, this is one of those cases. I want justice, yes, but I also want vengeance.

Just keep in mind those 2 are very different things, and the line often gets blurred with anger.

My only suggestion would be to take a page from Frankie's book and not let this thing control you and keep your pissed off at Goofball 24/7.

At least not wanting crush, kill, and destroy him. I say he deserves to get a karma ass kicking but that's it, any further and it's pushing the bill too far.

Actually, the only time I think much about the little waste product is when a new post about him comes up. 8D

I thought of something! Instead of posting about how much we want to"kill destroy rip burn and scrunch" goofball, why don't we read Invader Bloo's fanfic "The torturing of eh goofball"? As much as I hate that little dungball,:frankiemad: I am sure that reading the fan fic above would help.Maybe?:frankiesmile: I wasn't trying to go off topic.

Read it, was greatly amused, and want to see a movie version. ;D

Exactly what I was gonna say.

Why doesn't Frankie just tie Goofball to the Foster's bus and drag him?

hehhehheh
 

Or weld him to railway tracks and let a really heavy train roll over him. (I know what I said in my other post about trying not to post"how would I want to kill goofball" stuff, but I couldn't resist :P

Because in both cases, she would go to jail, and no one will ever see her again. That's why! :jk:

Ah well...it was just a thought!:frankiesmile:

Yeah because, the absolute last thing anyone wants to see is Frankie in an orange jumpsuit, with a brush cut and tattoos all over her body spending her days lifting weights and making license plates.

It's not worth it just because ONE imaginary friend out of a house of hundreds was being a jerk for a few hours.

Taranchula is right--but in that case, I think what Goofball did to Frankie is(or SHOULD be) jail-time worthy.

Oh, come on, Voxxyn. 8D That's ridiculous.

Well he did basically steal her money by taking her tickets.

Actually, she wouldn't have been able to go to the concert anyway because she gave her ticket money to Mac, using it to keep him quiet and not tell everyone she was Goof-Goof. Goofball didn't do anything to her tickets or the money she would have used to buy them.

AAAAAAAAUGH!I would never want to see that! But wasn't goofball a jerk for a whole day?!:wiltshock:

ONly Frankie and Frankie Fans think GoofBall was a jerk for the Day.

As far as I can see watching the episode nobody else was upset with Goofball. And it was not becasue Goofball tried to hide his personallity from the others, it was because no one else saw any harm in his behavour.

Goofball going to Jail, That is just obserd. Yes he did move the bus, and did some other mischivouse things, However his behavour was that of a cartooned teenager and thus was appropiate for the episode. Does anyone really think the Police would take a 15ish year old boy into custody for those kind of pranks. Personally I do not think that would happen, (Unless it was juvinal delinkwent teenager or in a exclusive neighborhood) and in the glimps of goofball John Mcgee's life that we saw he was only mischivouse not a derelict.

wow is my spelling really bad today.
Monty :-/

...if that were true, then why aren't local jails full of delinquint youths who do that to their mothers/sisters? He didn't do her any bodily harm, he didn't assault her in any way, he didn't do anything worthy of jail time. What did he do exactly? Make a mess of the arcade, take advantage of the hospitality of Fosters, act like a little idiot most of the time and other assorted things. If that's worthy of jail time, then man.

me and R. Lee Ermey will bust Frankie out of jail.

I don't hate Goofball solely because he did mischievous things, but because of the viciously cruel effect it had on Frankie. He DID assault her in a way: he simultaneously caused her severe physical exhaustion from working too hard all day and having to clean an entire mansion 'top-to-bottom', humiliated her in public by exposing her Goof-Goof routine(which might've been her fault, but it was basically the only chance she had by then), and hurt her emotionally via missing the concert despite all the excessive amount of work she did.

It was not "some random mischievous events", it was an ABSOLUTE NIGHTMARE.

No matter how much you exaggerate what happened, it's still silly to want to throw him in jail.

I think you are INsulting Frankie in your last post Voxxyn, Frankie is not a Little helpless winp, that is so easily hurt and emotionaly distressed. if she was then we would all feel bad for her, but she would also not have all the fans that she has. Frankie is Strong Spirited, independent, and Hardy enough to take all the abuse she recieved. She is not devistated by missing a concert, I am sure like everyone else she has missed more than one consert in her life. Frankie is not a Premadona, nor is she ragdoll. So if you Hate Goofball for the reasons you describe in your last post, it would seem by induction to also have a very low view of what Frankie is capable of handling.

Maybe your Hatred should be directed to the Episode writer, creator, and Staff. (at least if your hatred for goofball is that strong then it should also be directed at the once that enabled, and created him to do what he did.)

well for that matter, maybe one should be Angery with CN for reshowing the episode so much.

Either way, according to the poll of this thread, It looks statistically dead even on bell curve of Goofball/episode Haters and Lovers. Since the poll was started it has always remained very even.

So I would say overall: Franky Fans Get a Hold of yourselves. Frankie is a Strong Character that can easily withstand the trials of Goofball, thus you can dislike goofball but Stop Making Frankie look like a delicate flower, becase remember in her own words "but I'm Punk rock." (from setting a president after bloo called her a poser on the speaker)

monty :-/

ps: Mods feel free to edit or delete if this is out of line.

It's not out of line, don't worry about it. For me, the point is not whether or not she can take it; like you I thing she's a strong, capable woman, and I have no doubt that she recovered from Goofball's antics faster than her fans did. No, for me the point is simply that she suffered. She was hurt by the events, and I want Goofball to suffer for it. I don't like seeing Frankie in pain, and my heart cries for her because I care about her so much, and my soul screams for vengeance because Goofball must be held accountable for hurting her.

I am not devaluing Frankie as a character, nor do I view her as a delicate flower or ever want her to become one. Her strong and indepedent nature is a key trait as to why I love her. Her personality--a tough, durable, no-nonsense, heart-on-sleve, wildly emotional and ill-tempered young woman who is also very compassionate, caring and loving--is wonderful. She's strong without being a snotty feminist stereotype, kind without being sickly saccharine, and incredibly hot without the 'too good for you' attitude. She's a rare gem in a sea of tired cliches and unlikeable female fictional character stereotypes.

When thinking of Goofball's actions and the episode in which they took place, I measure the severity of Frankie's ordeal in relation to how deeply sympathetic she is and how much she does for the house and the IFs. The moment I do that, my mood sours instantly. I already know she's a strong person. Sometimes I tell myself "Well, at least she's built strong enough to put up with that stuff, right?" to try and ease myself. It works for a while... but at the end of the day, I end up thinking about how good of a person Frankie is and how much it hurt to see her(of ALL people) to go through that experience.

I don't feel outright anger towards any of the Foster's crew, but neither can I say that I'm 100% cool with the fact that they were the ones responsible. I'm disappointed with how Craig Lewis(and anybody who might've helped uncredited) wrote the episode, and with how Craig McCracken and the rest of the crew agreed to it without consideration of it's potential of hurting Frankie fans. And to this day, it still upsets me that Lauren Faust dismissed everybody who disliked/hated the episode as "wanting the characters to hold hands and be 100% happy"(WHICH I DO NOT).

With that said, I'd like to announce that this will be my final post on Goofball's thread for the rest of the year. With Christmas nearing, I'd like to focus on the positive for a while; i.e, think about Frankie's many great moments and scenes, and not this unfortunate mistake of an episode.

P.S. 'I'm punk rock' is from Everybody Knows It's Bendy, not Setting A President. :P

You're missing the fact that many episodes which we usually don't find to be hurtful towards a certain character/s, do in fact contain the potential to be hurtful to the fans of those characters in the things that happen to those characters. I think they didn't really put any consideration into the thought due to the fact that they believed (and I think rightfully so) that people would see it all in good fun. While it doesn't seem this way to you because of your fixation on the character, I find it hard to believe that they had ever intended for this episode to be hurtful to Frankie fans, and I find it overwhelming that people are unable to take a joke. While I found this episode to be unfair to Frankie, my dislike in it wasn't due primarily to the fact that Frankie was mistreated (almost every character in the entire series has been mistreated in some way, many times repeatedly and not just Frankie), but because I found the episode to be technically and structurally inferior to previous ones and my dislike of Goofball. On the flip side, while I found "I Only Have Surprise for You" hurtful and mistreatful to Mac, I also found it hilarious in a lot of ways, the only part I truly disliked being the very last bit.

No offense, but I have to admit that the hostility over this episode towards the crew bothers me in several ways, as I find it to be a mixing of priorities, that is being angry at real people over the treatment of a cartoon character. But that's a whole other debate.

No offense, montitech, but I basically said the same "get ahold of yourselves" thing quite a ways back, around page 7 or 8 I believe (though I did so in a much less necessary, long winded, :goo: -esque way), and I doubt the real claim I made was truly heard. Though, I have to admit, I think you're getting the wrong impression from what fans like Voxxyn and Cassini are trying to express, as they've already said. To them, it's more like the honor of their lady has been tarnished, and they feel the need to redeem her.

Not that the amount of empathy they have for the character is necessarily a bad thing, of course, but I myself feel they go a bit far in their devotion and that may cause it to seem strange to others. However, we really don't have the right to judge them based on that, as we each have our own favorite character, in this fandom or another, that we probably hold as much esteem for and would defend as hard as they defend Frankie. So, really, to fault them for their devotion would be a form of hypocrisy, at least in my own opinion (not to say you do this; just to express my own opinion on the matter, as it's been bugging me and I had to get it off my chest).

So while I think you were saying the correct thing in telling them to get a bit of a grip, I think you were slightly misguided in how you felt they viewed Frankie.

Which would be a natural reaction for a fan. However, let's think about this a bit rationally; seeing as how we'll almost certainly never see the character again, is he really deserving of this kind of attention? While he hurt Frankie, I would wager there are people who hurt Frankie even more in her life (and, personally as an example, I'd think the emotional blow Dylan's true motives in "Frankie, My Dear" would have stung more than the aftermath of Goofball), and is he even a worthy memory in Frankie's book? I would wager not.