I must admit, I like goofball and was one of the A's.

However I figure the Staff in charge of programming at CN must also like it since they usually show it a few times a month. AND it was in the marathon earlier today....


Monty :-/

Eh, I say every month.:X
None a year is fine, show "Seeing Red" instead, I haven't seen that one in ages.

...it was on the marathon? A "best of" marathon?!? What kind of twisted joke is that?

IHFUMEUP should be permanently banned from ever officially airing again. That's how I honestly feel. The fact it's still frequently aired while other, infinitely superior Foster's episodes have been neglected makes me SICK. :'(

I don't think it was a "best-of" marathon, "Bus the Two of Us" didn't air. Though it did have a ton of great epsiodes. Yeah the episode should neverbe aired again like some R&S episodes of course the banned R&S episodes were good ones.:jk:

As much as I do dislike Frankie's treatment in that episode, I just can't find it fair in my own weird way to ban the episode FOREVER. Same with "Only have surprise for you" I absolutely HATED HATED HATED how Mac was treated in that episode.

And I do NOT watch it, I'll skip channels gladly just to miss it. But still, I can't find it in my heart to say I want it banned from TV airwaves for life. Just the way I am. I do however agree very much so that certain episodes of Foster's need to be aired more so then the ones that are being repeated now.

Like Berry's episode, Setting a president, Frankie my dear, seeing red, and camp keep a good mac down.

CKAGMD airs semi-good, the rest you mentioned air like once every 5 months. :(

Yeah okay, the few times I've been able to catch Foster's on TV (no cable) it was IHFUMEUP once, and then literally the rest of the time WTAWTAW/EKIB. How unlucky.

The 3 worst episodes.:(
Bad luck....

I don't really understand this.
I'm a fan of Mac's, but I Only Have a Surprise for You didn't really bother me that much. In fact, it's one of my favorite episodes. But on the other hand, I am not okay with Imposter's Home, although I could never consider myself as a Frankie fan on the same level of fandom as Cassini and Voxxyn and Mr. Marshmallow and Medikor. (I know there are others, but please forgive me. Your names have slipped my mind momentarily.) Does that make sense? I thought not.

Alright then. The episodes Mr. M mentioned should be aired more often, while IHFUMEUP and the other "let's bash so-and-so!" episodes of the series should be relegated to once every few months.

"Frankie My Dear" and "Setting A President" getting little airtime is ESPECIALLY hurtful to me. But I guess Cartoon Network hates the idea of Frankie being portrayed in a positive light, which is what these episodes do... while IHFUMEUP has a very "Foster's 5 rocks, Frankie sucks!" vibe that seems to correspond perfectly with CN's "kids rule and adults drool" mentality. :(

IOHASFY airs semi-alot, along the sam elevel as Imposters.
Yeah, the whole kids rule thing is only seen in KND, I mean Fred Fredburger is an adult & he's one of the stars of CN. Plus FMD & SAP are pretty Bloo filled. Yeah, SAP & FMD never air, I'm so sick of it. But they air the crap episodes ALL the times. I just don't get it.:'(

That doesn't make much sense. I don't understand why Frankie My Dear wouldn't be aired a lot. The Orlando Bloo scene is one of the funniest things ever.

I think someone should tell cartoon network Goofball is not even minutely worthy of a too-hoo-hoo once everybody's seen the episode five hundred times.

This bothers me almost as much as Goofball in general bothers me. Foster's show is loved by ADULTS too, it's not a sin to be past the age of 15 and love this show you know? I'm 22 and while I am a bit nervous about watching it when my 18 year old brother is around, I still totally love this show.

I think it's stupid adults are being zeroed out just because CN is designed for kids. If they had any brains they'd realize that teens and adults are just as good a market to rank in as any other market. They canned "Teen Titans" and "JL: Unlimited" 2 superb adult/teen aimed shows that were amazingly good.

Foster's appeals to adults and toons and like I said about if they ever had a "get drawn into Foster's" contest, odds are some 9 year old would get in. That's bull $#@! I'm just a big a fan as any other 10 year old and my age shouldn't matter a dam thing. Same with those episodes, why single them out so carelessly?

There are alot better episodes then rewatching "Cuckoo for coco cards" for the billionth time. I had to find "Berry Scary" and "Camp keep a good Mac down" on youtube.com because CN can't find the time to air them.

It's not Cartoon Network you have to convince, it's the companies that advertise on the channel.

Adults are zeroed out because kid-oriented advertisers want to be featured on cartoons that are popular with kids.

It's unfortunate at times, but without those advertisers we don't have any CN in the first place, we don't have any Foster's.

That doesn't change the fact that zeroing older audience members is a down right crummy and scummy thing to do. Their work is still appreciated, it's their underlined intention that still bugs me.

The way I see it, fans are fans. Doesn't matter who you target, if you really want your show to get noticed and remain popular, I suggest taking care of EVERY fan you get, regardless of age or anything else.

Fans are fans, but the same doesn't apply to advertising dollars. TV networks charge for advertising minutes based on how desirable their perceived demographic is. Kids tend to have a lot of disposable income, and a big say in what their parents buy (cereal, toys, etc.) As a result, advertisers are willing to pay more to air commercials geared toward children. This, of course, makes CN very happy. Of course they want to keep older fans happy too, but they probably feel that we'll keep watching the shows we love regardless. Corporate marketing be a cruel mistress. :(

it's a noble thought, Mr. M.

but it has proven to be a poor marketing strategy, especially in these days of seriously fragmented television ratings. Cable advertisers want the networks to deliver narrow target market segments.

It may not be the best marketing strategy in the world, but that doesn't change the fact that this show impacts older people like myself just as greatly as it does kids. It can be the down right worst strategy in the world for all I care, still doesn't change the fact that fans matter.

Just because you target a certain age doesn't always mean you will get that age, nor does it mean you won't get people who love the show who are different from the targeted age. I'm not saying change everything for the sake of mature fans in terms of advertising.

All I am saying is I think us older fans should be taken at least somewhat into consideration.

Just an observation. I do believe the animators have the same claim as the animators of the past (i.e. WB toons, MGM, Disney, etc.): "They were/are not made for kids, or adults - they were made for us!" This is regardless of marketing, or fan base.:frankiesmile:

I couldn't agree more, actually, but unfortunately as we all know, money talks. The only thing I can think of that might even have a chance of changing things would be a massive letter writing campaign. If CN sees their profit margin as being in any way threatened, they might change their tune. Sadly, though, given the realities of modern American business, that's far from a given. :terrence:

Now hold on thar! I have CN stock; you start that letter writing thing my earnings will further drop!;)

Ha ha, we have somebody on the inside!!! Well, not really, but still more inside than I am (which is saying absolutely nothing). Do you get a cool cartoon stock certificate when you buy CN stock, the way you do (or at least used to) with Disney stock? Cause if so, I might have to pick up a few shares. :cheesegrin:

I'd think that Cartoon Network takes older fans into consideration, but not at the expense of younger fans.

Kids are fans too, they deserve to see their favorite shows just as much as us older folks.

I don't want them to "expense" anyone. But as long as they ARE taking adults into consideration and not just totally focusing 100% on kids, I'll feel happy.

I'm not saying mature teens/adults should replace kids, but they should be heard and not ignored.

Wow this thread has gone so off topic, it's hardly recognizable anymore. ;)

(BTW no one is in trouble, and I am not going to lock this thread, Because I just want to be fair to any new members that would like give his or her two cents about the topic at hand.)

Like I said before, I'm not completely closed to the idea of Goofball making a return appearance.

BUT if he does, it BETTER be in a storyline centered on Frankie... and by that, a storyline that actually has a POSITIVE outcome for Frankie that makes up for her wrongful suffering caused by their first encounter, and shows to her and the viewers that maybe he isn't such a bad person.

If that happens, I'll let go my hatred of Goofball and his starring role. Until then... :frankiemad:

EDIT: I just checked the BFAHP website--and discovered that the clip in Frankie's bio is taken from IHFUMEUP.

They could've used a number of scenes from "Frankie My Dear" or "Setting A President" which would actually do a good job of representing her character. Instead, they go for the episode that insults her and her fans.

I'm starting to think Cartoon Network hates Frankie.

...Or they could use my fan-fic, but with a new name. :) It's also Cheese filled so you know CN would air it alot (*cough*Big Cheese*cough*)

Ya know - I would not mind if he made a second appearance, and Frankie tells him to play on the freeway during rush hour - and he does. Think of the possibilities!:frankiesmile: :scaryberry:

sorry about that. I walked in late to a conversation and I was trying to figure out what was going on. I didn't, but that's nothing new.

Yeah it was my fault too, someone mentioned the whole kids and adult targeted audiences thing and I just got really off track. Sorry about that.

Btw, if Goofball ever does show up again? I hope he has learned his lesson AND he keeps his red nose on.....that elephant nose is kinda nasty.

Be fun to tie a knot in it, though. ;D

I finally saw that their was a poll added, and I gave the episode a D.

As I've stated before, I did not look Goofball or this episode, but my reasoning for disliking it tends to be very different then the apparent predominant reasoning for disliking it. While I do think Frankie got a raw deal, her treatment in and of itself wasn't enough to anger me, because as I've said before, I still don't feel this was the cruelest prank pulled on someone in the show.

My primary reason for disliking it is that I don't feel the character of Goofball, or the episode in general, was well structured. I know the whole thing with Goofball actually being an IF was intended to be irony, but I think it was poorly done considering the fact that they had already set up so much to disprove this, as well as some of Goofball's own actions, such as actively guarding his red nose. I STILL don't get that; the only reason he could have been so possessive was for the fact that he was afraid Frankie would steal it from him, which makes no sense as he has no reason to believe Frankie would just maliciously take his property from him.

There's also the fact that he couldn't remember simple information about himself (his full name, his phone number, ect.) and that he had homework. Perhaps, in Canada, IFs also have to go to school for whatever reason. I don't know. Perhaps he was just genuinely stupid, which is my personal belief. Kind of like Cheese, but able to communicate better.

I just thought it was a poorly done episode that wasn't up to snuff with the rest of the series, really.

I'm not so sure about this. I think what Goofball did to Frankie in this episode was far worse than what happened to Mac in "I Only Have Surprise For You".

Mac didn't have to put up with the demands of a malicious jerk(whether intentionally or accidentally doesn't change the fact he WAS), buy groceries twice on the same day, do extra hours of cleaning and chores, and be denied from going to something he'd been anticipating forever. Bloo's birthday party plan for Mac WAS a cruel prank, I'm not doubting that. But by comparison, Frankie wasn't 'pranked' at all--she was ABUSED and TORTURED.

I'm not trying to discredit the unpleasantness of what the entire house did to Mac in IOHSFY. I felt bad for him, and really angry at Bloo. But what happened to Frankie in IHFUMEUP is on another level of horror and suffering.

I DO completely agree that the episode was very lacking in technical merits, and was a very poor "swan song" for Craig Lewis. The thinness and laziness of the actual plot, compared to the extreme harshness of Frankie's suffering, was what originally led me to believe it was an attack on Frankie. Whether or not it actually was an attack, doesn't change the fact it continues to upset and depress me just for existing.

I partially disagree. On one hand, I agree this was a terrible episode for Frankie and it was absolute hell for her. However, I think the overall affect of what happened to Mac in IOHSFY was more "damaging" because he was psychologically scarred.

That's the main thing that really pissed me off. Frankie's day of hell was just that, a day, and while I'm no way condoning what Goofball did to her, I'm still really upset at the fact that Bloo drove Mac into a mental phobia of his own birthday. At least Frankie only had to put up with Goofball for one day.

Mac on the other hand is shown to be scarred for life and fearing his birthday at every wake and turn. And that's what really upsets me, the fact he had be so afraid of something that's joyful. Goofball was an ass for a day, but what Bloo did is everlasting.

Not so. Mac, at the end, allowed himself to dance to the whims of Bloo, who is a jerk (though, unlike Goofball, a likeable and....oddly enough, commonly friendly jerk) and, in "I Only Have Surprise for You", his actions could easily be considered malicious. Of course, I doubt he was intentionally malicious, but as you yourself said, intentionally or accidentally doesn't change the fact that Bloo was a jerk in this episode. What he did was worse psychological in the long run then what Goofbally did to Frankie. Mac has had a fear of his own birthday for some time now due to Bloo, and now it's not only due to Bloo but just about everyone in the one sanctuary and joyful place he has. Quite obviously, it'll be hard for him to come to trust any of them, as they used his eventual shame and his attempt to set himself right to them for their amusement and entertainment. Goofball never actively attempted to use Frankie's shame for the sake of amusement, from what I can remember.


Frankie had to miss a single concert and do extra chores. Mac was humilated in front of everyone he thought he could trust, after having been spit on by them for having been a jerk, and then having his goodwill thrown back in his face when he found out the entire thing was part of a scam to make him perform an act Mac himself found to be one of the ultimate forms of degredation. Now, while we could say Frankie was humiliated by Goofball during her Goof-Goof routine, it wasn't as if EVERYONE in the house had conspired against her for this. She was embarrassed by one jerk, and one we will never see again. Mac was embarrassed and insulted by every single person he counted as a friend, who he sees each day.

No offense, but I see what happened to Frankie being more along the lines of a prank then the cruelty enacted towards Mac. I'm not saying Frankie wasn't treated cruelly; she was, I thought she didn't deserve what happened to her one bit. However, I still don't think the deal she got was as raw as the one Mac got.

And you have more then the right to feel as such. I myself feel the same way about IOHSFY, so I'd be a hypocrit to lambast you for feeling that way.

My sentiments exactly, Mr. Marshmallow. My sentiments exacly.

I see you're looking at this in terms of public embarassment. To me, the 'embarassment' aspect in IHFUMEUP(Frankie being unmasked from her Goof-Goof disguise) was just a poisoned extra topping to the realization that Frankie was forced to miss something she really wanted to see so she could instead clean an entire gigantic mansion "top to bottom", despite all the extra work and cleaning she did on what was supposed to be her day off thanks to a lazy jerk, and in face of the fact that she's already a very underappreciated and sympathetic person.

And it was NOT just Goofball who made Frankie suffer. Bloo caused the chemistry set flood at the beginning, assisted Goofball with eating all the food, and essentially became his partner-in-crime. Goofball also had human friends over who made a huge mess. Mr. Herriman kept ordering Frankie to clean up all the messes caused by Goofball/Bloo, and was the one who made the decision which led to her missing the concert. And none of the other friends - not even WILT - felt any guilt about going to the concert without her(even though she worked very hard for the tickets and it was probably her decision to take the gang with her), nor did they even bring her anything from the event(a t-shirt, autograph, etc) as consolation. Even Madame Foster added insult to injury with how she was completely absent in this episode, and thus did nothing about the unfair suffering inflicted on her FLESH-AND-BLOOD GRANDDAUGHTER... and then got away unscathed with commiting some incredibly callous acts just two episodes later.

Mac definitely won't have it easy trying to trust his friends after the birthday scheme, or being able to enjoy birthdays in the near future. But Frankie, following her ordeal with Goofball, is still left as being a very underappreciated and 'taken advantage of' maid, who still has an oppressive rabbit as her boss, still has a wild blob of an IF to clean up after and put up with, and has a grandmother with the luxury of getting away with literally everything the TV-Y7 rating will allow.

In an admitedly weird and bizzare way, I deeply sympathize with Mac's ordeal. Mac was betrayed by the people supposed to be his best friends with a birthday plot to embarass him. I, as a Frankie fan, felt betrayed by people I greatly admire with an episode that was very painful and cruel. Just like it'll be very hard for Mac to fully forgive his friends for that humiliating experience, it's become very hard for me to fully forgive the show's writers and staff for making this episode and allowing it to air in the first place. I'm greatly hoping Season 5 will have a Frankie episode that will heal the wounds of this episode("Setting A President" was not enough) and celebrates her character instead of burying her, but there's still part of me that fears they'll end up creating another hurtful monstrosity of an episode(though I see IOHSFY is already considered as such by some).

Well said indeed, and an excellent summary. I can't find anything here that I really disagree with. However,

We can't place any blame on Madam Foster; I can't see being absent as a strike against her. For all we know she could have been comforting a sick friend at the hospital all day, or perhaps out schmoozing the local big shots in an attempt to raise funds for the house. Had she been at home I like to think she could have, and would have, intervened. Unfortunately she wasn't, but it isn't her fault that she has other things outside of the house to take care of.

In the words of Fred Flintstone - "Ooooh boy!":jk:

He has many haters...And surprisingly, Goofball's thread is 20 pages long. :jk: 8D

20 pages? Yikes!:o