Exactly. I have never felt anything as agonizing, never felt so much aguish for another person, real or not. It's a moment I will never forget as long as I live.

The scrubbing floors scene made me think of Disney's Cinderella scrubbing the floors, only to have Lucifer add insult to injury and track his feet all over it with ashes. Goofball was the Lucifer in that fer sure! It is a good thing Frankie has a ray of hope...:frankiemad:

That heartbreaking scene was indeed a "tribute"(In quotations because I don't think it's much of an honor to be referenced in that episode) to Disney's Cinderella, right down to the mice.

Because of that blatant reference, I can no longer think of Cinderella without thinking about this episode... and thus feel crappy by knowing that Cinderella had a happy ending while Frankie didn't.

But Cinderella's life was full of hardships before the one "episode" of her life that we, the audience, got to see. Frankie has many many more episodes ahead of her, and surely a happy ending is waiting somewhere down the line. ;)

They could do an episode where a wealthy snob in Romania adopts Duchess, and Mom relents and lets Bloo come home. Actually, I think that would make more people than just Frankie pretty happy.

LOL You bet it would! 8D

Frankie wins the Power Ball - there is a happy ending for her! Oops gotta stay on topic - ummm...and Goofball gets arrested, yeah that's it!:frankiesmile:

Goofball getting arrested would sure make a lot of us happy!8D

It would be a shame if after being arrested he was shot while trying to "escape". ;)

I just thought of something...if Goofball is Canadian, why does he have a Brooklyn accent? Maybe the kid who imagined him watched a lot of TV shows set in New York or something, but still...:-/

Not all us Canuks say "Eh" at the end of every sentance you know.;) 8D

Riiiight...and I suppose next you'll want us to believe that you don't all sit around in flannel shirts all day eating back bacon and maple syrup... :)

As much as the twisted side to me would love to see Goofball in extreme pain, that's not what I really want.

I hope Sparky is right when she says that a happy ending is waiting down the line for Frankie. I wish there was a way of knowing if Craig, Lauren and everybody else have realized just how negative and viciously cruel IHFUMEUP truly was, because I'm still not completely convinced. I'm still aching for a Frankie episode that will celebrate her character and use her to her fullest potential instead of burying and abusing her. "Setting A President" is a step in the right direction, but it's not enough.

Don't worry, Vox. Craig and Lauren visit this sit to give us a heads-up once in a while. So I'm sure that they take the time to read what we have to say amongst ourselves. I'm sure that a great Frankie episode is on the horizon!:D

It seems like this thread is Basically a "I Love Frankie and Hate this episode"

I Liked this episode, I think Goofball was funny.

I would agree that lfe was misserable on frankie, However I think that was the neccisary in for the story. It was not ment to be a Bash on Frankie, but ment to be a fun.

I Thought it was a great Cat and Mouse game. Frankie thinking that Goofball was fake and unable to get anyone to believe her. I actually believed that goofball was not imaginary until the end when she took off his nose.

I thought it was funny that MAC was the only one who reconized Frankie when she wore the Red Nose.

I do not want to sound raceist or anything, but I think GoofBall is a good Canadian personallity. I do not live in Canada, but I can see Toronto on a clear day. I think goofballs character matches SCTV humor better than Saterday Night Live or Flying Circus. I know this is a week argument, but maybe some Canadians can give their view of If they feel Goofball makes a decent Canadian. (or What they feel goofball represents)


monty :-/

I still fail to see the "fun" in what happened to Frankie. There's a line between goofy, slapsticky fun and inexcusable maliciousness, and what Goofball did crossed it by about a million miles.

Nor was it necessary at all. They could've EASILY done this episode without being so cruel to Frankie. It was a golden premise that could've been used far more wisely than just to attack a character with a large fanbase.

That's your opinion, though. Just because you saw it as evil and wrong and malicious doesn't mean it was. If I'm "completely trivializing" what happened, you're blowing it way out of proportion. Some people found it funny, some people didn't, there are always a few bombs in a series, but I don't understand how it was an "attack" on Frankie.

Watch the episode again and tell me if you see ANY positive outcome for ANY situation Frankie entered in that episode.

Also Frankie wasn't attacked, she was freaking Pearl Harbored in that episode.

There are completely different kinds of "bombs". Any given television series will have episodes that aren't up to par with it's usual standards of quality, that's inevitable. And then there are episodes that are disliked not because of any gap in technical quality, but because they do things that seem to only be there to deliberately shock and anger fans.

The problem with IHFUMEUP wasn't that it was 'not as funny' as usual--it's that it was INDEED evil, wrong and malicious.

Your stating your opinion as though it was a Universal Truth.

I enjoyed watching this episode. I thought goofball was fun.
I do not think I am Evil or malicious for liking it but if what you said is a universal truth I must be at least Wrong.
I know frankie was treated unfair, However I am sure the writers were not intenially trying to offend Frankie Fans but were trying to create a fun story.

Also it is not the first time they treated a lead character in that manner. look at how BLoo was treated in the Benndy episode. same type of situation, but directed to bloo, and bendy was definitly a Bad Egg, While GoofBall was just Misunderstood because he was from a different country.

Monty :-/

I hardly think it was the same type of situation. Bendy's antics got everyone in trouble; Bloo caught additional flak because he went after Bendy. Goofball's antics were directed solely at Frankie. Bendy was certainly malicious, but Goofball was clearly worse, because his behaviour was born of total self-involvement, and a complete inability to either see or care who he was hurting. Bloo also didn't have to suffer the way Frankie did, and didn't have a "Disney-esque" scene of scrubbing the floors. Bloo also got some justice at the end, and Bendy was exposed as the real troublemaker; there was no such justice for Frankie. And finally, being from another country is meaningless; I can think of many real-world examples that were just plain evil, not "misunderstood".

I don't think you are a bad person for enjoying the episode, but I cannot understand why you, or anyone, would enjoy it.

I didan't really interpret Goofballs actions as targeted directly at Frankie in a malicouss way but more like she let him get to her because she didan't believe him. I hope that made sence.

I guess this is where we disagree, (I am not trying to discredit your comments , I agree with most of them)

However, I think Bendy's behavour was worst. and I still see a parellel between Frankie/Goofball and Bloo/Bendy. yes I would agree goofball was self-involved and very short-sighted. goofball has no concept of consequences. hence how he became lost in the begining. I think this episode was to to focus on Goofballs antics, and not to intentially hurt frankie Fans.

So I guess you could Understand why I like this episode (since I also liked the bendy episode and I see a parellel) even though many people may not agree woth me. .

before reading this thread I actually never even thought about the suffering frankie endoured during this episode; I think she is freaquently taken advantage of in many episodes. So with this episode I was focused on wanting to see what goofball would do next. I was also focused on: how was frankie going to uncover this "Imposter"? I thought it was hysterical at the end when Goofballs nose was uncovered. and then his family showed up.

I wish I could spell:'(
monty :-/

THAT'S THE PROBLEM. It was viciously cruel for the writers to put a character that is already very sympathetic and underappreciated in such a one-sided no-win situation.

You're not evil if you liked the episode... but what happened to Frankie WAS and STILL IS very evil and malicious. Just saying that the writers "didn't try to offend Frankie fans" is useless, because I am nonetheless still VERY hurt and upset.

Okay...okay everyone take a breather for a second. I think the point Vox is trying to make is that even if Goofball was not as intentionally evil by nature like Bendy was, the actions that Goofball took and directed towards Frankie where in fact just as evil.

Possibly more so. Why? Because the difference here is we know Bendy is an ass, his whole episode and family and "clues" are to reveal he's bad to the bone and nothing will change that. He does what he does to intentionally hurt and annoy others.

Goofball however is self absorbed and not only did he not even consider what he was doing to Frankie, but he didn't even stop either. He purposely used her as a door matt and his laid back view on life made him seem completely careless to any amount of human suffering Frankie was enduring.

I also want to go on record here and state clearly that it HAS been done, there HAVE been episodes of TV shows that purposely and literally bash the living hell out of a certain character. Being a TV nut, I know this happens, I can name 5 shows right off the top of my head that did this besides Fosters:

Pokemon

Ben 10

Batman Beyond

Tale Spin

Extreme Ghostbusters

I know plenty more and I assure you, TV episodes can easily make or break a character. Certain episodes are designed to make everything go virtually wrong for the targeted character. Verbally, physically, mentally, emotionally, everyway possible. So it's not that hard to believe that it happened again.

I think "evil" is a bit strong...it may be a matter of semantics, but evil to me implies things such as the Holocaust or Darfur...or on a smaller level, rape and murder. Being a completely insensitive, selfish jerk doesn't reach anywhere near that level.
Also, I find it very hard to believe that the episode was done "to deliberately shock and anger fans". First of all, while I certainly don't know anyone who works on the show personally, from everything I've ever heard or read, Lauren, Craig et al are great people who would never intentionally hurt anyone's feelings. But even supposing that there were someone on Foster's with that kind of sadistic streak, I still don't think an episode would ever get on the air that was intentionally designed to be hurtful. The people involved with Foster's (the production company, CN, etc.) want to make money, after all, and purposefully upsetting their fan base isn't going to do that...just the opposite, in fact, since it might cause people to stop watching. Just from a strictly business standpoint, it wouldn't make sense. Now I like Frankie a lot, but I won't pretend to understand the depths of feeling this episode brings out, even after all this time. And of course, whatever someone feels about Goofball or the episode as a whole is completely legitimate. Still, given the amount of true evil that exists in the world, maybe some other word could be used. :mfoster:

I find myself agreeing with BabyElephant.
Sorry, but I think that saying the Foster's crew knowingly, intentionally, and purposefully made IHFMP to hurt Frankie in the most evil, malicious, and cruel way possible is discrediting them. Yes, I do agree that Goofball's actions were seriously wrong towards Frankie. And here, "wrong" is not even a strong-enough word to describe what horrible misfortunes he caused her. But saying that Craig and company purposely went out of their way to bash Frankie--I find that unfair and harsh. I think the Foster's crew are great people who work really hard to try and please their fans.

I do appreciate the hard work that goes into the series. I'm not lashing out like this because I thought IHFUMEUP was a severe gap in technical quality.

I'm lashing out because as a Frankie fan, it was just upsetting, depressing and borderline traumatic to watch her go through all of that. They wasted their hard work and talent on an episode that, whether or not that was their true motive, was just plain CRUEL and MALICIOUS towards Frankie and felt like a huge slap in the face to her fans. How is that, as a fan, supposed to "please" me? Because I love Frankie and hate episodes of ANY show that basically devote themselves to destroying a character from start-to-finish, I don't matter?

Of course you matter. Never did I say that you didn't matter. And the creation of a hurtful episode to Frankie fans does NOT mean you don't matter either. I think the Foster's crew tried to come up with a humorous Frankie-centered ep, but their plan totally backfired. Instead of producing laughs, IFUMEUP produced much trauma, sorrow, and anger. Because you love Frankie so entirely, you make a huge difference. We know that Frankie is already underappreciated, and she doesn't get a lot of chances to shine, so being supportive of her from beginning to end, through thick and thin makes you important. I never said you didn't matter.
And I never said IFUMEUP had to please you. I meant that overall, the crew tried to make their episodes, in general, pleasing to their fans. It seemed to me as if some people thought that Craig and co. purposefully and intentionally wanted to bash Frankie, and I found that unfair.

Exactly. I think that really the worst that can be said of everyone who worked on this episode is that they made a mistake. Yes, it was a mistake that hurt a lot of people, and I would never presume to tell them they shouldn't feel that way. But I can't believe that there was any malicious intent to any of it. ;)

Nor can I. They miscalculated how strongly people would react, nothing more. I cannot and will not believe that they deliberately set out to hurt anybody, character or fan.

Okay I have listened quietly long enough (kind of like the new manager checking out how things are run in the office before he/she makes changes). Was there malicious intent? Absolutely. Was Goofball out to be cruel to Frankie? Without a doubt. I (and a few million others) love Frankie very much, and to see her get hurt this way is unthinkable. Now here is what I want to point out. Was Goofball evil? Absolutely NOT! Evil people have no concsience. Goofball had at least the enough decency to show his gratitude to Frankie at the end ("You fed me, you made sure my clothes were clean..." or words to that effect). I think an evil person would never have shown even a drop of gratitude. Is it an episode I can do without? Unquestionably! There is my 2 cents, now I will go back into my corner and listen some more...:herriman:

Alright then. It was a miscalculation.

It's still a HURTFUL, VICIOUS and TRAUMATIC miscalculation, and it still makes me deeply upset.

Yeah but Tardball's still a jerk, he was careless & mean.

I don't want to disrespect any of the crew... but, honestly--did they really show any respect or consideration for the feelings of Frankie's fans by making the episode the way they did? Because I myself still feel disrespected and hurt.

I don't think they fully realized how damaging and hurtful IHFUMEUP would be while they were creating it. They probably regret it now, I hope.

I think we should do a poll as to how people rate the goofball episode,

but I am a bit shy on time rigt now to figure out how to start a poll.

Monty :-/

ps. I still like the episode.
[in wilt voice] is thats OK. :D

I'll add it. Standard letter-grade poll, A-F; sound good?

Edit - Okay, it's added. A little gasoline for the fire, I suspect, but we'll see what happens. Let's try to keep it civil in here, m'kay?

Thanks Cassini90125,

I think to keep things civil it may be best to NOT declare what one rates the episode. After a few more people rate the episode we will all be able to see how the episode ranks up to peoples taste.

Monty :-/

Someone actually gave it an A. :X
The episode was horrid! Notghing funny! It was a disgrace, something Disney Channel would show! :frankiemad:

I rated it an F-. Worst episode ever.