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Brought it on herself?!?
Frankie works her dang rear off EVERY SINGLE DAY; she is the HEART of Foster's. It's because of HER that Foster's runs smoothly instead of being in chaos. She did not at all deserve what Goofball did to her. If you dislike her, fine. But reading that she "brought missing the concert and scrubbing the floors on herself by dressing up as an imaginary friend" made my blood boil. |
Woah, woah, holy comma on a drama llama. I never said she deserved it, I said she missed the concert because she was pretending to be an imaginary friend. She didn't deserve the consequences, but it was her mistake. I also never said I dislike her, I said I don't like her, meaning I don't care for her either way, to illustrate the fact that I'm biased because I had no emotion invested into what was going on. I thought it was funny the first time I watched it.
Man, this topic is scary. |
Guys, I understand that emotions ride very high on this subject, but let's watch the language, okay? :P
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But hey, that's life. There are lots of occasions were good people get screwed and bad don't. That doesn't make the situation any more acceptable, though. Really, in my mind, the only good thing that came out of the episode was seeing Frankie with the clown nose on at the end. That was adorable. On another note, I get the impression that Goofball, for the most part, really is dumb as a sack of potatoes that've been smashed with a jackhammer. He lives in another country, for Pete's sakes! I don't remember if they explained it in the episode because it's been so long since I've seen it, but if anyone can tell me how he did it, just how in the hell did he get down to Foster's? |
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While I guess it's not entirely unfeasible that Goofball was stupid enough to just wander down there, I'd still like to know how he, you know, got through the border security located between Canada and the USA, presumably without a passport. |
The border with Canada used to be virtually unpatrolled, although that's probably no longer the case.
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Maybe not patrolled, but I'd expect you would've still had to have had a passport in order to get through, seeing as how you're entering into another country.
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Actually we went to Niagara Falls and didn't need one. You just need a drivers license and a birth certificate.
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Gang, please stay on topic. Thank you, sirs! Have a great time! ;)
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I dunno, wondering how Goofball got to Foster's seems a perfectly on-topic thing to talk about...
(and its a pleasant change from the usual tone of the conversation in here) |
I mentioned Eurotrish because apparently, while she was given up for adoption and didn't get there herself, her family sent her all the way to another continent just to get her to Foster's. Which supports the "Foster's is one-of-a-kind" theory. How Goofball walked/hitchhiked/whatever to Foster's from Canadia is another question altogether.
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It's entirely possible that the Canadians smuggled him in, just to get him out of Canada. ;)
Seriously, I have no idea how he got here, none at all. My best guess is that he was simply lost. |
And don't you think Eurotrish's family might have sent her to an American IF home instead of one in Europe simply to get her as far away as possible? ;)
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Eurotrish could have been imagined by a Europhile...
Goofball might have just wound up on one of those poorly-named trains going from that place, up there, with the bacon... and made his way to Fosters from the train station. |
Goofball probably did it "hobo" style - look for an empty boxcar and made his way into it, then played a harmonica all the way until he wound up at Foster's. I know that is far-fetched, but think of the possibilities!:frankiesmile:
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It's been a while since I last went to Canada, but most of the border is completely unguarded. Yes, there are checkpoints at all road crossings, and you'll need ID (in fact, they're going to start requiring passports to visit Canada...this may have already happened, actually), but there are miles and miles of border with no guards or fences at all. Goofball could have wandered over quite easily.
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I don't find Goofball all THAT bad, in the end, didn't he act appreciative of Frankie by calling her "all right"? (Which for him was meaningful.) And to top it off, gave her a clown nose? (Also his meaningful way of saying he likes someone.)
Hey I used to HATE Bloo because of the way he could be so mean and selfish sometimes, until I began to understand him better. After that, I not only began to like Bloo better, but now I just plain out love him. Since we've only seen Goofball in one ep. and we don't really know all there is to know about him, maybe he should be given a little benefit of the doubt. Don't get me wrong, I love Frankie too and I think she deserves a real handsome guy who treats her like a queen, and has all the IFs think she's the greatest thing since sliced bread, but we all know that real life doesn't always give appreciation to those who work hard. |
You're right that real life isn't perfect... but isn't Foster's a children's cartoon? Isn't it supposed to provide an ESCAPE from the harsh realities of life? I'm not saying that everything should be 100% perfect, but at the same time, the writers go WAY TOO FAR with the not-so-happy episodes.
This is why Mrs. Faust's defense on the ToonZone forums only hurt me even more. She harped on the importance of not making everything 100% happy--when the episode in question basically made Frankie's life 100% miserable. The latter is as much of an unhealthy extreme as the former. Frankie is already underappreciated and sympathetic as it is, and the show has had it's share of gags and jokes at her expense. These are usually funny and even hilarious, since they're done for humor. But that episode was simply hurtful. I WILL say this though: I'm not completely against the return of Goofball and his family. In fact, if they were to make an unexpected cameo appearance in a future episode, in a way continuing how Frankie and Goofball seemed to be on good terms at the very end(One of the episode's few positives), it would actually make me feel quite a bit better. |
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And then we'd expect that GWH would have some lame "fairytale" reason for Wilt's injuries, and then I'd lose all respect for the show. So that being said, I kind of support Lauren's views. |
Again, I did NOT say I want the show to be 100% happy. Certain aspects about Wilt's character(like you mentioned) further add to his highly sympathetic nature, and are meant to appeal strictly to the hardcore fans while going over the heads of most children and casual fans. And "Good Wilt Hunting" is basically guaranteed to have some kind of happy ending(which doesn't necessarily have to be a perfect fairytale one), as payoff for his years of suffering and getting taken advantage of.
The Wilt example is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT from what happened to Frankie in IHFUMEUP. Lauren is right about conflict, I'm not doubting that. But she cited the importance of not making everything happy and perfect all the time, in defense on an episode that did the exact opposite towards Frankie. That's why I felt hurt by her response. |
I HATE Goofball! I'd hate him even if he'd basically totured Frankie. He wasn'tfunny & his episode sucked butt.:terrence:
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Goofball was a hard character to put up with as a Frankie fan. I'm not a fanboy (at least I try not to be) and I enjoyed the episode despit the very hard time Frankie had. I think most people read a little to hard into the episode and forget that it was all meant in the name of fun.
Yes. Frankie had the worst day imaginable but I couldant stop laughing when I saw the look on her face when the others came from the concert that she missed. I was also rolling on the floor when Frankie pulled off Goofball's nose and froze for a good ten seconds in shock. I don't find this episode funny because Frankie has a hard time, I really feel for her. I laugh, and enjoy it, because I can relate. We all have had very bad days where absolutly EVERYTHING goes wrong. And we all have had a Goofball in our lives too. I'm sure that was what the writers intended and not merely give Frankie a hard day out of spite. It may seem like they have, but I'm sure that isant the truthe. This episode was bown to happen simply because of Frankies job and personality. If anything, it makes us feel for Frankie even more because we see how hard her job can be when an extreme case (Goofball) happens. Look on the bright side: I'm sure Lauren can see the negativety fans have around this episode and give use another wonderful Frankie episode on the scale of "Frankie My Dear".:D P.S- Vox, I don't think you should feel like Laren hurt you (at least, not too much) because I don't think that was the intention she had for us Frankie fans. I think this episode was just a good intention that went sour at the worst. Kind of like makeing a snowman and the torso makes a get away and becomes a giant snow-boulder of chaos. |
Those two moments you enjoyed so much(her reaction at both the others coming back and upon learning that Goofball is indeed an IF) were among the most HURTFUL to me, and were actually the ones that convinced me in the first place(rightly or wrongly, but that's how I honestly FELT) that the episode was an attack on Frankie. In fact, just seeing them mentioned has only worsened my mood. And seeing her suffer and cruelly denied from beginning-to-end is "in the name of fun"?
It made us feel for Frankie alright. But there was NO real payoff at the end for Frankie whatsover in the episode--or the entire series afterwards, actually. "Setting A President" came the closest, but it was ultimately a hollow victory as she ended up giving back the Presidential job. I am trying to keep an open mind about future Frankie episodes... but just the fact that they allowed "Imposter's" to exist in the first place has cast a pessimistic and hopeless cloud in my feelings. |
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Isn't that what great art does though, provoke an emotional response? Cartoons are as much great art as Turner or Dali, cave paintings are cartoons I always thought. A window into someones soul that opens one up to ours in the way we respond. |
That is very true. I just wish it had been a different window. :bloosad:
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Yeh seriously. Maybe it was the way it panned out or maybe the way it was drawn but it made you feel like every dissappointed rejected moment you'd ever felt. I mean that's genius really. I think the word Kafka-esquecomes pretty close. The feeling of turning into a big bug nobody likes.
Goofball was just an ingredient in it. He was so much like a teenage boy, he was desparately annoying, but all imaginary friends are at least a little bit annoying to somebody. |
I'm kinda starting to think there's something wrong with me. I can see how you all REALLY dislike the episode. Maybe my sence of humor is twisted or something...:(
But like I said, I didant laugh at the episode because I liked seeing Frankie have a hard time. I thought it was just funny. I can understand how it can be seen as downright hateful to Frankie that she had to go through all that. I'm sorry if I offended anyone by trying to explaine why I enjoyed the episode. That wasant my intent at all. Maybe I've mellowed out as I've gotten older, or simply because I can relate to Frankie (haveing two little monster brothers that always gang up against you is murder!8D ) and the horrible day she had. I know I've had days where everything got progressavly worse. I guess I'm just able to look back at those days and laugh at them rather then continue to beat myself up over them. About the only positive I can think about with this episode being made is that those who made it obviously know of the negative feedback it's garnerd and won't make one like it again. Anyway, about Goofball going to Fosters, wouldant that have been because Fosters is the only place of it's kind in the world? If so, I can understand why Goofball was sent there from Canada. That, or he got lost and some locals pointed him to Fosters. |
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Koosie is right; I believe that cartoons are a legitimate form of art(And SHOULD be treated as such). And I think it says a lot for a "silly kiddy show" like Foster's that certain moments and episodes have affected me and others in such a way.
But I still think they crossed the line, and crossed it way too far. Frankie is sympathetic and underappreciated as it is without the "help" of this episode; if you know that and dislike her anyway, I don't think you'll ever change your mind. THAT is why it gave me the feeling that it was deliberately trying to abuse and destroy her. If I seem upset everytime I talk about Goofball and his starring role, then good, because that's how I honestly feel, even to this day. I hope Lauren was/is able to understand just how hurtful IHFUMEUP truly was. Arguments about conflict and "not wanting to make the show 100% happy all the time" don't change the fact that what happened to Frankie was just cruel and wrong. |
Yes, Voxxyn, Frankie IS underappreceated and this episode was obbviously hurtful to Frankie's fans. But Craig and Lauren seem to be very good people and I'm sure that they didant make Goofball for the soul purpose of hurting us.
I don't think they intended for Goofball to be hated to this degree. I can almost forgive him since he leaves Frankie and Fosters on good terms. But there are characters that take on a life of their own and almost write themselves. I think that was the case with Goofball. I think taht Frankie missing her concert was important. It was the last straw needed to push her over the edge and lead to her final confrontation with Goofball. Don't get me wrong, I love Frankie and it wasant nice to see her suffer. But I did enjoy the episode. I guess I was just able to see the humour in the episode. I'm not trying to defend Goofball, just trying to help everyone try and accept the episode and maybe, somehow, grow to appreceate it. |
:( If you actually believe that Frankie missing her concert was "important", then I'm sorry, but you stand no chance whatsover of changing my mind about the episode. That traumatic event is AT THE VERY HEART of why I hate it so much.
In fact, the OPPOSITE is true: if Goofball makes a return appearance, in which he does something to Frankie that makes up for the horrible day she had when they first met, I might be able to tolerate and maybe even like him. But I will NEVER be able to "accept" or "appreciate" the episode itself. Call it 'forgiving but not forgetting'... that is, if the 'forgive' part ever gets a chance to happen. |
You know, Vox, you're really makeing me dislike thise episode.8D I can really see how much of a personal hell it was for poor poor Frankie.:(
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I'm glad there are people like Voxx on here, who point out how a form of art like a cartoon (yes I agree with that completely) can sometimes affect people to this degree. That's why I like to get into the deeper discussions, it makes it all the more interesting. :)
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And one episode can do a lot of damage, which is what I feel Goofball did. Anyone who still doubts this episode wasn't a Frankie basher need only to watch the scene where Frankie is scrubbing the floors after being denied going to her concert. Watch the music, her reactions, and the pacing. All 3 of those things in that SINGLE scene are the key realizations to just how badly and painfully Frankie was screwed over here. |
Frankie missing the concert and scrubbing the floors was indeed the fatal "point of no return" blow for me. On it's own, it would've hurt badly enough. But the entire episode before that unfortunate moment was built and set up as if the underappreciated maid would put the mooching jerk in his place at the end and emerge victorious as reward for her suffering.
That never happened. Instead, the exact opposite happened; the WORST possible outcome allowed by the TV-Y7 rating. It was heartbreaking and borderline traumatizing. |
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