Well it might have been all sugar free candy.

:) Yes,I like Mac too.

Like taranchula said, maybe everyone is familiar with Mac's sugar thing and gives him only sugar-free candy. I mean, if Mac's gotten that crazy before, somebody must have noticed it.

Given how Mac responds to sugar I'm surprised that Terrence doesn't try to force him to eat candy. :terrsmile: :P

Actually I don't think Terrance would ever dare give Mac sugar. He's stupid as hell but he's not dumb enough to actually make Mac go crazy, he knows that Mac would probably tear up the house or something and he'd get blamed for it.

Mac knows to not take sugar, so if he somehow gets some it was probably forced and Mac's Mom would know Terrance gave it to him. It's funny but aside from the party episode, Mac's sugar problem has never really shown up again.

Actually, they referenced it in I Only Have Suprise for You, when Mac's explaining why he dosn't like parties to Mr. Herriman. He says something like,
Herriman: "this wouldn't have anything to do with sugar, would it?"
And mac explains that it's actualyl because he ends up getting humiliated instead.

Man, Mac's sugar high is not going to go over well when he has to explain that AND bloo to his girlfirend, when he gets one, hehe...

And you're right, I think terrence knows that even though terrence is much stonger than Mac, mac is much smarter and at some point in the future will be easily capable of getting terrence back for what he does- and will, if Terrence pushes him enough. After all, terrence hasn't told Mac's mom about Fosters (well, he did in the credits of Infernal Slumber but wasn't believed).

Sugar is something that Mac's mom will knows mac didn't do himself. Mac knows what happes when he eats sugar; the only reason he went nuts in "Partying..." was becuase he slammed into the guy with the punch which was super-saturated with sugar.

Ah makes sense, I have been trying to FORGET that episode "Surprise" due to the overwhelming Mac bashing, much like "Imposter's" for Frankie. While this one isn't as brutal a lashing as Frankie's episode was, it still leaves Mac looking pretty bad.

Terrance can't really rat out Mac now that his credibility has gone down the toilet after "Infernal Slumber". Their mom won't believe him and plus, Terrance seems to enjoy beating on Mac at home rather then thinking up plans to ruin his thing with Foster's.

He's too stupid to even know a plan when he has one (remember his thought baloons in "Seeing Red")?. Although, I too hope Mac gets some payback on Terrance through his own ways. Mac's a good kid and he gets put through a lot of grief on the show sometimes.

See, while "Surprise" bothered me quite a bit, it somehow didn't bother me as much as "Foster's Goes to Europe" did in regards to how Mac was treated (well, at least until the end; I think the LAST thing Bloo had Mac do was a bit much). Also, I agree that Frankie's lashing was a lot more brutal and, though I like Frankie, I feel worse for Mac, partially, again, because I believe he got lashed not once like Frankie has, but twice, once in "Foster's Goes to Europe" and again in "I Only Have Surprise for You". Actually, make it three times; I forgot "Camp Keep A Good Mac Down".

And while I'd like to see Terrence get his come-uppance from Mac, I kind of doubt it will ever happen. This is primarily due to the fact of how good natured Mac is that he himself wouldn't really go for it. Of course, this isn't necessarily true, considering we've seen him snap before (again, in "Surprise"), but I think there are a few different factors at work here. One is that it would almost certainly have to occur in the apartment, considering Terrence never seems to leave. Granted, while Terrence's reliability is basically null and void in his mother's eyes at this point, I'm afraid that if there was an episode where Mac tried, he would somehow end up getting caught and in trouble.

Moving on, I haven't said my position on Mac.

Favorite character. :)

Putting aside my personal feelings on Frankie, I very much understand why you'd feel worse for Mac. Frankie is an adult, and a very strong and responsible one at that. Mac may be mature for his age, but he's still a child, he's very decent and well-meaning, and he didn't AT ALL deserve to go through what he did in episodes like FGTE and IOHSFY.

I guess that's why I'm really hoping "Emancipation Complication" next week isn't a disappointment. Both Mac and Frankie have earned the right to shine after all the abuse they're put through.

At least Terrence was blamed for the gaping whole in the roof from Infernal Slumber, right?

I agree wholeheartedly; it's about time both got a spotlight of some sort and, actually in that respect, I feel Frankie REALLY deserves one. At least there have been moments where Mac has gone through some kind of tribulation and earned something by the end of it; I don't really think Frankie has gotten that. The only one that comes immediately to mind is the House President episode (I forgot the name, hopefully you all know what I'm talking about) which Frankie rightly won yet turned out to be a bittersweet and, eventually, pointless victory that she gave back to Herriman. Off topic, I know, but damn, if any of the human characters deserve a chance to shine, it's Mac and Frankie, and hopefully Emancipation Complication will due that, and without the interference of Goo (God bless 'er, I love the character, but they need to lay off; she's been used too much as a deus ex machina that gets in the way of the actual two main human characters, that being Frankie and Mac).

One thing I have always wanted to see, and one of the things that has let me down, has been more Mac/Frankie interaction. I mean this on a brother/sister level of course, as the idea of them as a romantic item, no matter how much further in time it has been, bothers me to no end. A brother/sister relationship, however, I've always imagined them forming, and this has yet to really happen, at least in my opinion, which is a shame as it would make a good deal of sense. Mac, after all, has no real adult figure he can look up to: his mother is almost always absent, and Terrence is viewed completely as an antagonist by him. You'd think, therefore, a figure would eventually fill in this apparent void, and the most likely person to do so would probably end up being Frankie.

Of course, I could just be overanalyzing the situation.

And babbling, of course. :gooblab:

I think you make great points. I doubt the writers will have a full blown brother/sister relationship between the two; I think their relationship in the show is more or less played off by their unofficial status as the voices of reason at Foster's. (Wilt and Mr. Herriman come close; but Wilt is a tad fragile and lacks the spine to stick up for himself, and Herriman seems to be extremely out-of-touch with the outside world)

BUT I, too, would definitely love to see the ocassional team-up and instances of friendship and compassion. There's been some so far, of course; but I think "Emancipation Complication" has a lot of potential in this regard.

I totally agree. Mac and Frankie are the sweetest, most level headed and in a sense, the real glue that holds everything together, even more so then Mr. Herriman I would say. Frankie and Mac get along really well and Frankie has made several connections with Mac's understanding power.

Like at the mall in "Store Wars" saying he's the voice of reason, playing along with her candy game for Cheese in "The Big Cheese", and actually helping Frankie out with all her paperwork in "Frankie my Dear". The 2 are so cute together and they get along very well.

I definitely agree that they both deserve some time to shine together. I hope this episode is gonna deliver this, Mac and Frankie turn out to be a better team then at first glance. He even helped Frankie break out of her giggle fit over Mr. Herriman's embarassing footage with "World Wide Wabbit".

They are both kind, caring, and very likeable characters that deserve a chance to do more on screen as the focus rather then taking a backseat to Bloo or any other character. Not to bash Bloo or anyone else who's been in the limelight, but I think Frankie and Mac's moment together is long over due.

Oh, I agree entirely, and while it's important to have roles that act as the voice of sanity, it's unfortunate that many times, especially recently, those are the ONLY roles the two play. Mac and Frankie are two of the main characters of the show, for Pete's sakes. And I agree with you as to why Wilt and Herriman wouldn't work, which is unfortunate as their could be times they could use them as back ups for the whole "voices of reason" thing while allowing Mac and Frankie to do something else (again, along with having won victories, Mac has genuinely been allowed to break from his mold more often; I think Frankie has, what, once maybe in "Frankie My Dear"?)

Again, I agree completely. However, how much does Herriman really hold together? I mean, I love the character, and while his supervision of the house obviously makes it so that it does run smoothly, think about how many times he's done something based off his own compulsions and interests, such as the whole carrot thing and his regression in "Camp Keep a Good Mac Down"? He also tends to be highly paranoid, as we've seen in "Who Let the Dogs In", where he was certain that people were letting dogs in for the sole purpose of killing him (it was also this episode that made me love Herriman, just as an off topic fact). So while I think Herriman does hold things together to a degree, I think there are times were he tears them apart at an equal rate.

Exactly. Like Voxxyn said, and the examples you've given, there have been times where they've shown a working relationship between the two. I just wish the writers would take the time to expand on this, though it's unlikely they'll do it to that great an effect, despite my fervent desire to see it.

Again, this is what has always bothered me. The two of them have been here since the beginning, and yet they're apparently being phased out at times, Frankie moreso than Mac. And while Frankie's phasing out really does disturb me, Mac's does even more so, due to the fact that he and Bloo were basically always touted as the true main characters of the show. This isn't to say I don't want to see the other characters; far from it, in fact. I'd just like to see more of Mac, and it would be nice to see him develop a little brother/big sister relationship with Frankie, but I'd especially like to see him and Bloo being friends more often.

Honestly, am I the only one bothered by the fact that Bloo and Mac are apparently becoming more and more hostile towards one another? Well, maybe hostile isn't the right word, but it's obvious they're beginning to grate on one another much more often, and there have been too few episodes recently where they're just being buddies, such as in Squeeze the Day. I'd love to see more episodes like Squeeze the Day, I really, really would. And while it's not uncommon for best friends to fight with one another........the number of arguments Mac and Bloo have been getting in recently is insane.

ANyway, hopefully they'll focus on Mac and Frankie for Emancipation Complication like they're saying, and have Goo sit this episode out.

:goo: --Sorry kid, I love ya, but you've gotta stop coming around so often......

No, no, you're not alone. I, too, would like to see more moments like those from Squeeze the Day. C'mon, Mac and Bloo. You only get to see each other a few hours daily, so don't waste your precious time arguing.

But then again, Mac and Bloo's fights show how strong their friendship is. They can argue with each other time and time again and still be each other's best friend.

But then again, that would be like those girls at my school who get into little scrawly cat fights every day and refuse to talk to each other. Then the next day, it's like, "I'M SO SORRY! WAAAAAH!"

Anyway, Mac and Bloo share a friendship that is like no other.

I agree that their friendship is like few others, and different from most of the others on the show, and I attribute that partially to the role Mac tries to take on himself with regards to Bloo, that being that he also wants to be a "father figure" to Bloo. What I mean by that is the fact that Mac is the one constantly trying to teach Bloo what's right and wrong when Bloo's doing something wrong (that is, being Bloo). While I'm certain that other kids occasionally do this as well, I've always felt that Mac does it more than most others, though whether this is his own personality or just because of who Bloo is is uncertain.

And that's the thing: while Bloo obviously needs someone to set him straight at times, I'd like to see Mac get to act like a kid more often like he did in the first season and in Squeeze the Day. I kind of would have liked to see him loosen up in Bus the Two of Us, but I can kind of understand why that didn't happen. :P

Honestly, though, they need more episodes of Bloo and Mac hanging out as the main story with a possible B-Plot.

I think I can understand why. Imagine you're an eight-year-old kid, and you're flying down the freeway with a blue blob who can barely see over the steering wheel. Neither of you have a license, and you know that at any moment, something awful could happen.

And several times, nearly did. Still, it always gets me when Mac tells Bloo that running from the cops was the best idea he had all day. That, and the scene where Mac was playing with that toy car in the playground. That was just adorable. :)

I think all in all Bloo does need to tone down torturing Mac if you will. Bloo puts Mac through alot of hell, even though they remain buddies in the long run. Bloo barely has to worry anout anything because he's careless 90% of the time.

Mac however has lots of things to worry about, including home life, school life, and everything else any logical person would worry about. And while I agree they have a powerful bond, it would be nice to SEE more of that bond rather then Bloo stressing Mac out all the time.

And see MUCH LESS of Mac bashing episodes like "I only have surprise for you". That just took Bloo's pranking to a whole new dirty level, and that episode really upset me in alot of ways. I found it totally unfair to Mac.

It was more amusing that IHFMUP but after a few viewings, I've lost some of the heart of it: it has it's good points but really it's just Mac going through a lot of trouble.

I do understand Bloo, though; I was like him as a small kid, but, much more whiny. I'm surprised I still have friends!

I don't think Camp Keep A Good Mac Down was anti-Mac; that was just dealing with Bloo being Bloo, but where they couldn't afford it.

Also Mac doesn't always have the moderator role. There are plenty of times in which he's just a kid; and some where he snaps and others where he goes nuts... But, actually, watching the times he's left to go nuts on his own really shows how good of a kid he is. His idea of being evil is jumping on a bed? His prank phone call is "this is a joke"?

His behavior in Go Goo Go is kinda odd though; he snaps, but even I, with my tendency towards whinyness never snapped like that as a kid. I mean, I got angry enough to impale my parents with a pike but never actually did it. I usually just went to my room and stared at a wall until it went away.

I love Bloo, but I do think he should be a bit more considerate of Mac. Like in Sweet Stench of Success, the line that was burnt into my memory was, "I don't care about Mac!" Bloo, how could you say that?

Camp Keep a Good Mac Down, in my perspective, was not for Mac-bashing purposes. It wasn't meant to bash anybody. I cannot really find any way in which it attempted to bash the kid. Yes, Bloo was selfish, more than he normally is at least, but I'd like to think that if the Foster's gang was lost somewhere trying to surive, Bloo would be the last to perish. He knows a good thing when he sees it. Bloo was given the opportunity to eat the food, so he took that opportunity--survival of the fittest is how I see it.

Survival of the fittest does not account for revenge.

Also, I think Mac's behavior in Bloo's The Boss and Challenge of the Superfriends equally irritating. Stop yelling at your friend, idiot!

Mac didn't seem out of touch in "Boss" if you ask me. I think he was upset Bloo was doing something so dangerous and downright unhealthy, staying outside in a crappy cardboard box and using puppets to delude yourself into a fantasy foster home isn't good.

It's bad. And besides, Mac HAS to yell at Bloo nearly all the time because that is usually the only way he gets the point, and even then he ignores Mac. Plus like everyone said before, Bloo has had a long habit of pulling stuns and lying to them before.

Mac thinks realistically and seriously, I also think he was trying to force Bloo out of this stupid idea. It took him forever to convince Bloo to behave in "Bus the two of us" and even longer in "Infernal Slumber". I don't feel Mac was in the wrong in "Boss".

I'm with Mr. M. I can't blame Mac at all for getting angry like that.

Er...Bloo ate up all the food because he wanted revenge?

I agree; while I've said before, and still say, that it in a way proves how strong their friendship is (how many friends come along in one's lifetime that you could bicker with incessantly and still be best friends?), and while their fighting is usually hilarious, I'd still like to see more of them.... well.... being stupid together. More and more it seems like Mac is forced to play parent or babysitter to Bloo, and I hate to say it, but they're getting more and more opposite -- so much so that if it keeps going like this, they'll just.... have completely incompatible personalities or something. It's almost like they're drifting apart. Okay, I don't even know what I'm talking about anymore, but....

I'm going to do what some people here have done for Frankie and say: I've always been fond of the "2-or-more-best friends" concept, but -- and this is just my opinion -- nobody has done it better than Craig and Crew have done with Mac and Bloo. Their friendship is simply my absolute favorite of any fictional medium ever, and I adore them both, so I'd like to see more of them being pals, and Mac having fun more often. That's why Squeeze the Day ranks so high on my list of favorite episodes (which admittedly is very long, because Foster's is great).

But I did totally understand Mac's yelling at Bloo in Bloo's the Boss, because I mean.... he was living in a cardboard box, all alone, with a stray cat that could have any number of diseases for which Bloo would have to be rushed to the hospital to get a tetanus shot if it bit him (no offense, Chuck), and talking to himself, just to prove he can do good deeds.

No, revenge form the others on Bloo.

Yes, you do have a point. It's just the yelling that struck me, though.

Exactly what I would like to see. And, odd as this may sound, because of Bloo's very nature, there's a good chance he's even genuinely forgotten about all of the other concerns Mac may have. After all, no longer having to live in the apartment where some of Mac's concerns would seem genuinely more real to him, Bloo may have completely forgotten that, well, Mac has responsibilities before having fun.

Jeez, tell me about it......

Whereas "Foster's Goes to Europe" was a smack in the face, to me "I Only have Surprise for You" was like having both my kneecaps bashed in by a lead pipe by the end. Seriously, that seemed to even violate Bloo's personality on how far he would go for a prank, as well as the others complying with it. Maybe they thought it would send a "loosen up" message to Mac, but really, I think it did just the opposite. In a way, you'd think that this little event would just make Mac more and more suspicious of everyone. I know it would do that to me......

And, like I said, it didn't seem like a Bloo-esque prank. It was more like something I think Terrence would pull if he had the intelligence and cunning.

Actually, I can easily see why Mac would have snapped the way he did. I mean, his one sanctuary in the world had just been violated by an over-eager girl who was consistantly bugging him day after day after day while he was trying to avoid annoyances like that. Then, one day, he finds everyone in the van because they can no longer even go inside the house, and is told that he has to stop coming to Foster's so Goo will stop going to see him. While being assured that the deal will still stand, that is that Bloo will never be adopted, the idea has been changed so that it will now stand as long as he never comes back to Foster's, rendering the whole deal fairly pointless.

So yeah, I don't really find it odd with Mac having snapped, is what I guess I was trying to say.

I agree with Mr. Marshmallow and Voxxyn that Mac was quite in the right to do as he did in Bloo's the Boss. As for Challenge of the Superfriends..........come on! It was basically a Bloo shenanigan, but Mac was doing it instead! It was like Mac was being allowed to be a kid in that episode, which is something that happens rarely enough as it is. Give the kid a break for getting irritated with his friend's jealousy, despite the fact that Bloo would have done exactly as Mac was doing if given the chance.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Ah. Yelling at Bloo was not survival of the fittest.

Now that you mention it, it is peculiar that the others would, firstly, even allow Bloo to humiliate Mac again, and secondly, actually help him carry out his plans. They might have let Bloo pull a prank on Mac, considering that it was Bloo's "tradition," but taking part in it sparks my curiosity.

This is what I mean by the difference in the writers. Let's stick to the friendship theme, folks, and not bashing/yelling/acting stupidly around your so-called best friend.
They do need to lighten it up a bit, or I'd fear they would drift apart. Could explain if/when in the future Mac does give up Bloo if that's how they choose to end the show. (Which I doubt, but one never knows.)

...Yeah, you do have points...

Just We've seen all too much of the anger part betwee nthe two of them and not enough like in Squeeze The Day.

I don't think any true Mac & Bloo fan will disagree with that. They had great friendship moments in that and "Neighbor Pains", but their relationship since has been as hostile, or sometimes EVEN MORE, as it was for most of Season 3.

I agree. Sometimes, it seems as if Mac and Bloo were enemies and not friends, and that's why "Squeeze the Day" is my favorite episode--it shows the friendship of the two best friends at its peak.

Well, on a more amusing Mac note, After reading Dude13's story, I noticed what he pointed out at one point: in Store Wars, when they're walking past the l... L.... damn, i can't remember the word. Fancy underpants... Mac's got this huge grin on his face, both times...

...Lingerie? Is that the word?
Oh yeah. I remember that part. I guess Mac knows more than he lets on.

I just found it amusing, hehe...

Yeah, it is. Brain-go-splodey while i was typing.

LOL! I loved that grin on his face xD

Yeah, S3 was a really horrid freind-ship, but of couse it brought great episodes. But if I was mac, I'd get annoyed to. Especally in "CFCCC" that whining was so annoying.

I still think Bloo was better in Season Four. You might think he was bad there, but you gotta admit it could have been worse. No friendship is without conflict, and that's what happened there. If we start worrying too much about how Bloo is such a jerk, then the writers might think he needs to be perfected, and more than likely, the show would change course - and not necessarily for the better. I thought Mac was more harsh on Bloo on Season Four (though not by too much), yet no one really mentions that. :P I'm not saying that he shouldn't be that way, but I can understand why.

This talk of how Bloo is somehow treating Mac badly and their friendship is going downhill, I'll admit, has really been bugging me a lot lately. I won't get into detail as to what happened (for those that didn't see the season finale). It's not that I disagree with these people, it's just that I fear that the writers may read some of this and get the impression that Bloo's character needs to be completely reformed overnight, or even perfected. All I'm saying is be careful with what you wish for, because you might get it. I don't expect the friendship to be destroyed by either of the two. The only way I can see the two apart is if Mom forces Mac away from Foster's, or if Mac gets furious enough to leave We'll see what happens next. I really think some people feel too strongly about little stuff like that, but that may be just how I feel. 8D :P

I don't think the writers will ever feel the need to reform Bloo -- they do respect our opinions and take them into consideration, but they're aware that they know their characters best, not us. I'd just like to see them being buddies more often. Not completely without bickering, though -- a bit of arguing is good even if they're having fun and being pals, as, like you said, no friendship is without conflict, especially one between kids, and boys at that.