I think of all the "other" characters that have appeared on Foster's, Berry truly deserves to come back the most and I really think she would be the most interesting. I know many people on here love Red and would like to see him again (I would too), but in honesty, Red coming back wouldn't really make a big diff.

His character is too simplistic to scream out a "MUST RETURN" kind of thing for him. The nice thing about Berry is that she is a bonified, solid, through and through villain. Let's face it, we can sympathize with her all we want but in the end she's a bad guy just like Kip, Little Lincoln, Duchess and the Swapper.

I kind of got upset when people said Berry isn't evil and that she only acts this way because of how she was treated in all that speculatory about her background. I personally don't see why it's so hard to accept the fact that imaginary friends can BE evil by nature, they can be bad just by who they are.

I think Berry would be SWEET to see come back, odds are she's even crazier then she was before after rolling around on a giant rubber band ball for countless episodes.

That?s the thing that always bothered me, though. If Berry is evil by design, then isn?t she a victim of her own creation? As I?ve said, I?ve missed a lot of episodes, though has there been any episodic evidence that a good Imaginary Friend can turn evil, or have a drastic change in personality? There might have been, as I?ve only just recently began watching the series again, though this subject has always fascinated me.

While not a conversion from good to evil, the TV special "Good Wilt Hunting" certainly demonstrated that Imaginary Friends can have personality changes and be affected by significant or traumatic events in their lives, much like people. I don't want to ruin it for you if you haven't seen it, but it gave as a chance to finally learn more about Wilt's background, and see that there was once a time in which he was more carefree and self-confident than he has generally been portrayed as throughout the series.

I don't believe that Berry was necessarily the way she is by creation, but at the same time I don't believe that it's necessarily her own fault. Much as people are products of their genetic and social enviroments, I would say that the personality of an IF is shaped largely by the kind of background they've had. Obviously, their means of creation seems to rule inherited genetic factors out, but they are still very much products of their human creator's pyschological frame of mind, and GWH additionally suggested that IFs may also be reflective of their creators' subconscious desires - a child may be inclined to create a friend with specific personality feats for reasons that they may not immediately be aware of. At the same time, IFs have autonomy and the ability grow and develop indepentently of their creators. The reasons behind Berry's antagonism may not have been revelent to the episode itself, but I personally feel that there's still room to speculate about her past life and how it may have influenced her, much as fans always did with Wilt prior to GWH, even if we're unlikely to ever find out for sure.

While I agree Berry has a lot of elbow room for her background to be developed, the problem is people often WANT their to be something more to a character then there actually is. For all we know, a lot of the IFs there could have backgrounds that pose similar problems or situations that shaped them into who they are.

But in my opinion, I really don't think ANYthing the IFs go through will 100% change who they really are. Wilt may have been more care free back in his older days but comparing how he is now to how he was then, he wasn't that dramatically altered. He's changed yes, but not that much when you consider his personality and the way he acts.

Look at Red, the only thing he shared with Terrance was his stupidity. Red was born to kill Bloo and smash him yet Red doesn't have a mean bone in his body in truth. Didn't matter what Terrance said or did, the fact is Red is the way he is and no matter what he was told or forced to do, his true personality became evident.

Berry to me is and will ALWAYS be the obsessive, psycho, crush, maniac little pink blob she's always been. My only speculation about her past is that she was given up BECAUSE of her personality, that she became too insanely obsessed with her creator or that creator's friend, or dog, or mom or whatever. I see absolutely zero remote possibility she was "abused" or hit.

Imaginary friends in truth, don't really change, none of the IFs in the main or miscellanous cast have completely departed from their basic personality functions. We've been with Bloo since the beginning and while he has show signs of change a few times, majority of the time, he is still the same old Bloo. Same with Wilt, same with Eduardo, and same with any other IF.

Red, in my opinion, is a pretty good illustration of how a child’s subconscious desires can influence the personality of their imaginary friends. We know from Terrence’s penchant for soap operas that he does have at least an inkling of a soft and sensitive side deep down, and it’s perfectly possible that Red, in many ways, is an embodiment of that. That he ultimately found more sympathy in his supposed enemy Bloo than in his creator is what sealed his loyalties. It also seems to me that Red does have a mean and violent side of his own but he'll only use it for defensive purposes and when pushed too far, as he finally demonstrated with Terrence. You could argue really that Red inherited a lot from his creator, but that he just channelled these personality traits in completely different ways. ;D

To be honest, Berry’s background isn’t really something I’ve thought about too extensively myself (and it wouldn‘t necessarily have had to involve anything terribly shocking or dramatic like physical abuse to have made her who she was, just what kind of influences she received throughout life), but I can’t really blame her fans for wanting to speculate on the matter, even if it goes beyond what the writers have implied and intended. When you like or take an interest in a particular character, especially one with rather vague background details, you do kind of instinctively want to know more and to get thinking of the possibilities. It's only natural. :bloogrin:

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what do you think about her? :berry:

I like Berry! She's kind of like me. I can be sweet when I want to be, but also have an attitude when I want to have one.

~Little Baby IceCream~

You... obviously didn't go through the forum FAQ. Did you, Fed.

Also: http://www.fosters-home.com/forum/showthread.php?t=135

In the future, please use the Search feature before starting a new thread. Also, please review the Rules section about "Subject-Only" threads. :herriman:

It's been dealt with. Back to you, Berry. :scaryberry:

So, our vinaceous little vixen returned, and she was as venomous as ever. I had been calling for Berry to return since right after Berry Scary, and I am quite pleased with how she was handled. I still believe that Berry is a victim of her own existence, as even if she was created with all of her problems, such is the fault of her creator. Still, she had quite an impressive plan in the recent episode she appeared in. She invaded a home, kidnapped and imprisoned its owners for several weeks, masqueraded as a human, and then attempted to murder Mac. She has a hell of a lot of resolve and I admire her wickedness.

The one thing I found a bit odd was how “Barry” and Bloo merely played games and had fun. I know it was all a part of Berry’s plan, but I don’t think she would have the patience, and if the object of her desire was constantly within her grasp, one would think she would try to do something other than just play games with him. Still, at least she did manage to spend time with Bloo; he didn’t know who she was, as usual, but I still think Berry and Bloo make a cute couple, just like Frankie said in Berry Scary.

I think Berry is a pretty good match for Bloo, comparitively. I mean, she knew JUST what would get Bloo's attention, she's single-minded as he is, and she's manipulative like him, too. Shame for her that Bloo is simply not interested in a romantic relationship, being a five-year-old boy.

I wouldn't WANT Bloo, arrogant and self-centered as he can be, to be involved in a romance with someone who makes Hannibal Lector look sane! Berry is utterly psychotic AND very clever and creative, which makes her a threat on the same par as Buddy Pine/Syndrome from The Incredibles, more so, if you take size into consideration. For her to pull off what she did, just to entrap Mac and kill him, and win Bloo's loyalty, with her being only two feet tall, is nothing short of amazing, in a really frightening way.

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Agreed. After watching Thursday's episode, I have even less sympathy for Berry. To me, Berry was more interested in separating Bloo and Mac, more than she "loves" Bloo. In my opinion, Berry and Bloo would NOT make a great pair.

I understand where you’re coming from, and you’re fully entitled to believe what you want. However, I implore you to take the time to consider the circumstances. Berry was truly in love with Bloo, and despite all that she had done for him, he didn’t even remember her name. When she first discovered that Bloo cared more about Mac, she perceived Mac as a threat, which caused her to go down the path that she is currently on. I’m not trying to justify what Berry did, as attempted murder is a horrible thing, but I believe Berry truly loved Bloo, and in her warped and twisted mind, she did what she felt she had to do. She wouldn’t have built a shrine for Bloo if she didn’t still love him, and even though revenge against Mac had a lot to do with her plan in this recent episode, it cannot be denied that she still longed for Bloo’s affection. Berry may be a sadistic individual, but in the end, she just wanted Bloo to love her; she was over-zealous, in that she wanted Bloo “all to herself”, but she still loved him. It was an obsessive love, but it’s love none-the-less.

You can sympathize with people and still completely disagree with them. I just ask for people to consider the circumstances and walk a mile in her shoes. She was created; she wasn’t born, and she didn’t have the luxury of defining her own existence. She likely had her mental problems since she was created and even though what she did was horrible, deceitful and wrong, she was doing what she felt that she had to do. After all, one cannot be responsible for the way that they were created.

I doubt she knows what love is. Even if she does, it seems to me that her "love" for Bloo is not as strong as her hatred of Mac.

That could be true, but I wish people wouldn’t look at this in shades of black-and-white. So many people have praised Foster’s for the level of depth that each character has, so why are people so eager to dismiss Berry as “nothing but evil”? Each character has their own set of merits and flaws; Berry may have more flaws than merits, but she still is an Imaginary Friend. She’s abandoned; she’s alone in the world and she doesn’t have an owner to help her out, or to set her on the right path. Granted, she might not listen to her owner even if she had one, but you still have to take such things into consideration.

She has my sympathy on that, if such is the case. I think she's characterized as "nothing but evil" because that's her role in the episodes she's been in. She's psychotic, I'm sure, but I don't believe that psychotic and evil are the same think. Nor are they entirely separate things, either. We can only judge her by what we see; we can speculate about her past, and ponder the subject of nature vs. nurture all we want, and perhaps try to make sense of her actions, but in the end we don't know what the circumstances of her creation were, or what happened between then and her arrival at Foster's. Without that knowledge, it's hard to judge her based on anything other than what we see on TV, and what we see isn't pretty, although it is funny.

Yeah, I think that’s something we can all agree on. Regardless of what we think about Berry, or whether we sympathize with her or not, she is one of the better villains in Foster’s and her psychotic nature permits some great scenes to take place.

Looking back at her recent episode, it’s still impressive how she managed to do everything that she did. She managed to physically force the family into the closet, and tie them up, and then she managed to gain access to their resources and hire a chauffeur. It’s obvious that the chauffeur didn’t work for the family, as he would have known that Barry Bling wasn’t the resident of the home. She then managed to live in the home for weeks, while keeping the family imprisoned, and she masqueraded as a spoiled rich kid who had the credentials to be real. She even planned ahead and had several different Barry Bling costumes, and she had time to build a huge shrine to Bloo so that she could idolize him in his absence. When all was said and done, she managed to spend weeks with Bloo, and she successfully drove a wedge between Mac and Bloo without really lifting a finger, except for the final day. Add to that the fact that she tried to kill Mac and you have one hell of a lot of scheming.

It’s as pitbulllady said; “Berry is utterly psychotic AND very clever and creative, which makes her a threat on the same par as Buddy Pine/Syndrome from The Incredibles, more so, if you take size into consideration. For her to pull off what she did, just to entrap Mac and kill him, and win Bloo's loyalty, with her being only two feet tall, is nothing short of amazing, in a really frightening way”.

This is a very good point and this is a the very SAME reason why I believe Berry is a evil, crazy, demented little imaginary friend. I honestly can't see how any faith or weight can be put into hypothetical origin stories saying she was abused or anything like that because it's too open for anything to happen.

I could say she's from an alternate dimension from the planet Krypton and she traveled to her in a meteor with her little suitcase. Unless it's stated or given any kind of indication, it's anyone's guess, anyone's game, and full of too many holes to be durable. I don't sympathize for Berry because her situation is nothing new.

EVERY imaginary friend was abandoned (more or less) and you don't see them going ape crazy and trying to kill people. I also believe Berry is evil AND psychotic and here's why: Like the Huntsman said, everything Berry did for this new episode required MASS amounts of concentration and planning.

Someone who is totally off their rocker couldn't possibly create such an elaborate plan of revenge, and that's the keyword here: revenge. Berry was intentionally trying to KILL Mac, she wanted him to suffer and she wanted to get rid of him for good. She went beyond the call of duty just to get back at him.

For someone to take that much thought and hard work just to get back at one little boy for a "boyfriend" who can't even remember her own name, that's CRAZY and EVIL. Berry kidnapped people, attempted to kill Mac, mocked him, and stole a house and all it's riches to satisfy her own personal needs.

She's a true head case and a TRUE villain, the stuff she pulled in that episode is not a mean spirited prank or your typical kind of behavior for a character in a show like this, Berry was TRULY psychotic and menacing. Feel sorry for her all you want, but I can't for the life of me understand how anyone can sympathize someone who went through so much trouble to kill one 8 year old little boy.

I never said that she was abused. I said that she was created flawed. It?s sort of how Red was created to be evil, but he turned out to be a good guy. I?m pretty sure that when Berry was created, she was created with all of her problems. I highly doubt that Berry was a ?normal? Imaginary Friend who suddenly decided to join the Dark Side. Granted, I respect your right to believe what you want; I?m not trying to convince anybody to anoint Berry as a saint or anything. I?m not trying to justify what she did and I?m not saying that she has room for salvation. However, I do believe that Berry was created with her emotional baggage, and through such, she couldn?t really help but do what she did.

Nice post, at any rate. Thanks for taking the time to write that up.

I know you didn't, others have said that sort of where the sympathy thing came from originally. Granted Berry may have been created with emotional baggage, it's obvious creators that not all creators can create an accurate 100% desired personality. Look at Terrance and Red, Mac and Bloo, Madame Foster and Mr, Herriman.

I believe Berry is the way she is because of who she is. Granted being made by someone else houses responsibility on the creator, but I think imaginary friends have proven on more than once occasion that who they are personally is more dominant then who their creators are personally. Again that's just me.

EDIT: Oh yeah, sure, no problem, I loved putting deep thoughts into posts like these.

And now, she has a shirt:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...ADME:B:SS:US:1

Probably available at Hot Topic, too. 16 hours to go as of this writing.

Yeah that shirt's been brought up in the Company Store board, and I or someone else may have posted photos of it, I can't remember.

I was really surprised Berry appeared in the last episode. Throughout I kept on thinking "Why is he named Barry? I've never heard of two one-time characters with the same name pronunciation...."

Then when I noticed the macaroni statue, I thought it was just that "Barry" was insane over Bloo, and it was just a joke/reference to older episodes.

But then, when Berry appeared.... oh the irony, the irony.

Anywhoosen, I still can't believe she tried to run into Mac's head with a train. That is one love-crazy, two-foot tall, evil mastermind.

Seeing Berry again in AWF made me rediculously happy. ^^


Have I ever commented on how h00j some posts are on this forum are? Y'ALL MAKE IT HARD TO CATCH UP ON THINGS. >.< Please note that my annoyance is coupled with joy, as they're fun to read anyway. ^^

Both views are interesting. I think, however, that she's just a funny, obsessive villain character that's fun to watch. Maybe more thought than that was put into her character from her very beginning, but I wouldn't know. We'd have to ask the Foster's crew to really find out. Until then, we can each be content with what we have come up with ourselves.



On another note, anyone wanna see the new Berry video I made? I'd put it in the Fan Creations board...But I'm just too lazy. ^^
Berry is Cute

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"Affair Weather Friends". When you see someone using initials and you don't know what they mean, first try to see if they could stand for an episode name. ;)

"You love that retarded brown rubber ball more than ME!!"

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So I guess I'll give my thoughts.

When I first saw Berry Scary the first thing I thought was that Bloo and Berry would make the cutest couple ever. XD But as I watched the episode over and over again I just started to realize how kick ass Berry just was in general. I as loved adorable or innocent looking characters that deep down will evil, insane or homicidal. So she became my favorite character, and patiently waited for her return.
I must say, Affair Weather Friends was a pretty awesome comeback for her. She's definitely got smart under all that crazy, as she managed to break into the Bling mansion, tie up and lock away the real Barry and his family, fool the servants/butlers/anyone else who had association with the Blings in order to use their resources. That's pretty amazing she managed to do that.
It just proves how more insane she is. XD Though, I did wonder.... would Berry be nearly this crazy if she weren't in love with Bloo? Most of her insanity and actions upon that seem to caused by Bloo. So that leaves us with the thought... was Berry ALWAYS insane? Or did she just one day go crazy, possibly because of Bloo?

Maybe, but I also have a theory about Berry's creation. I think she was created by a kid who belonged to a rich family, and along with her kid, was forced to be kind, sweet, polite, and proper all the time. However this wasn't Berry's real nature, as the kid created her so they'd have a friend to get away from all the fancy and proper stuff they were forced to do on the daily basis. Eventually this drove Berry completely mad and either 1 of 2 things happened:
1) She was kicked out by the family because they figured she'd gone nuts
2) She went completely psycho and killed the family. Obviously if this happen she must've created the perfect murder crime, through alot of careful planning, much like the Bling caper. That or the police would never believe a "cute, sweet" little imaginary friend like her would kill her own family.
So I think she was always crazy, but it might be interesting to think it was Bloo's fault she went off the deep end. XD

But holy crap, I talk too much. :gooblab: As Wilt would say, "Sorry, is that okay?"
Hope to be on these forums more, especially once and I get me and my friend Kevin's "Foster's Home For Imaginary Friends: The Abridged Series" up and running. ; )

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~Tora <3

Oh, okay. Thank you Sparky.

I can see that one coming from Berry!

I lived in a mental hospital for 6 months when I was 12... so I sort of feel connected with Berry <3 except I don't have a sick obsession with Bloo, of course :cheesegrin: Which brings up a question... does she REALLY love Bloo? Or is it something else? D: I could never determine if she wanted to be his best friend or his girlfriend

Can of worms......I bid you OPEN!

My opinion (shared by most here, I think) is that she has a major crush on Bloo. She thinks she loves him. But I'm of the opinion (and this here's just me) that imaginary friends are too immature to fall in love. They love their friends and family, but I don't think they really know what romantic love really means. They just get crushes.

Yay for Berry!

I even saw her on BFAHP, but she seemed real nice on there, but still good to see her regardless.

Oh yeah, definitly want to give her a Mac Voodoo doll now, so she can get some real revenge :scaryberry:

I wouldn't. Berry nearly killed Mac twice, last thing she needs is any kind of tool that could help her psychotic nature indulge in her obsessive "Mac must die" desires.

Considering it IS Berry, I'm guessing she prolly has a few voodoo dolls of Mac already :scaryberry:

Mac is my favorite character, but... go, Berry! :D Entertain us again! I really hope they bring her back in season 6, meaner and more villanous <3 If there's one thing I like about Berry, it's that she's the only REAL villain of the show. Usually it's Bloo who's the bad guy

I personnally think she's very cute, she became one of my one of my favorite characters fast, and I love her "Sweet and sour" personnality. I always enjoy the Bloo/Berry/Mac angle, always entertaining. I'm hoping that she'll have more appearances in the future, which I'm confident she will. Berry doesn't sound like the type that would give up yet

I love Mac to death, but I think Berry is cute too, especially in "Berry Scary" when she says "Hi! I'm Beeerrryyy" in that cute dreamy way that she does. I say "Hi" like her all the time. :berry: I also love her line "Remember when I watched you watching me watching you watch...". Oh, and also the "I can doodle a snicker!" *and then some squeak comes out sounding something like "nk-nik!"*, lol! Again, although I love Mac to death, I think "Affair Weather Friends" is one of the greatest episodes ever simply because of the shock I went through at that famed plot twist. Aah, it was great.

You know, I think it's kind of hard to deny that Berry is evil after her most recent appearance...

And then she'd try to kill the basketball with a big threading needle. If she succeeds with that, Wilt wouldn't be too happy. :(