ROTFL!! Oh my Stars and Garters! I soooo did NOT see that coming! Even when I saw the Macaroni Bloo, at first I just thought it was a similar one, and just part of this obsessed Barry-with-an-a's shrine. Besides, Bloo had knocked it over and it broke. But after a few seconds I saw it- "Barry"/"Berry". Wow!! :o

Haha, same here! Yeah, at seeing poor sweet Mac feeling betrayed by his bestest buddy, and looking like he was about to cry, I also was about to cry. I wanted to reach through the TV screen and hug him! But as it went on, there were so many delightful surprises, like Mac's sugar high (and how he said "Cchhhooooccccoooollllaaaatttte!!!" LOL!), the way both Bloo and Mac carried on entire conversations with the other, without the other having to say a word (that was just too sweet!), Bloo hitting himself in the face until he was all red, I just couldn't stop laughing! And then the end.... Need I say more? Nope, probably not. :berry: I was all giddy and clapping and cheering for a good half hour (seriously!) after I finished watching it.

Why aren't they showing screen caps/eppie gags as much as they use to? I'm starting to hate advertising. It's dumb. I just saw the screen cap for "Say it isn't Sew" for the very first time only a few days ago. So the family managed to get untied and are now surveying the damage left when Berry rolled out of the house on the rubber-band ball? Or did Mac and Bloo release them?

Yes it was. It almost made me sick. Blooregard, how do you even have to*decide* between Mac getting smashed to bits by that train and picking that paddle ball up? But then I remember that maybe Bloo thinks on an entirely different level than everyone else does. Maybe he was actually deciding *how* to rescue Mac. He already knew how he could use the paddle ball to do it, but maybe there was a better way? Yeah, I've decided that's what Bloo was trying to decide. Bloo, you're confusing, but in the end, I was very proud of you. :up:

I loved this episode with a passion! It was sort of a "bad day" ep for Mac I suppose, but it wasn't as bad as I originally feared. It turned out way too funny and surprising to be a let down in any way. :bloosmirk:

Wow, great episode :O

But am I the only one who DID sorta see it coming? I mean the first one I could think of when he said his name was Barry was Berry. I mean, I wouldn't think the writers would be so uncreative as to give almost similar names to two different characters... so... yeah. But it was still a great episode

I'm happy this episode had so much mac and Bloo friendship, and yet again I see why Mac is my favorite character. His drunken fumbling through the mansion was hilarious XD I'm sorta annoyed they didn't rescue the family at the end, though, but also amused as it just leaves them there to die 8D

Hooooooooooly cow!!!!!!!!! :wiltshock:

Wow, this episode absolutely rocked hard! I'll admit that things got off to a bit of a slow start, however, the second half made the episode worth watching. Once again, Duchess makes an appearance, and her role in this one was more significant. I felt bad for Mac, as I saw him looking as if he was going to shed some tears. :sadbendy: Some of the high moments was seeing Mac's sugar-crazy self again, and the *gasps* return of "Heather"!!! ...er, I mean....Berry (darn it, she looks like a "Heather" to me). I know some folks are a bit disappointed that certain characters were not present in the episode, but to be honest with you, I didn't see the need for them to make any appearances. Man, another "awwwwww" moment at the end. :) I love to see Mac and Bloo show how much they care.

I realize that death was mentioned on a previous episode or so, but I don't believe I've heard anyone mentioning "kill (name here)" for a 'children's' cartoon in a long time. It is significant, because most kid's cartoons are Politically Correct, when it comes to mentioning death. I am amazed at how the crew really makes this show more realistic than it really is. It's also cool to see more continuation of the series (with flashbacks from "Berry Scary"), another element you do not get in many cartoons. Once again, "hip-hip...huzzah!!!" Excellent work, Foster's crew. :)

You know, I came to that same conclusion when I realized that even he wouldn't be easily distracted by something he could go back for one moment later. So from there I figured the paddleball was part of his rescue plan.

The moment I saw the macaroni sculpture I thought that the writers copied the storyboard from a fan-fiction. =P But I later realized the ep was too awesome for a fan-fiction.

This now ranks in my top 10 fav. episode list. It makes me dissapointed that I didn't see the other eps this week. :(

I just watched this episode myelf (cheers, Sparky), and - bloody hell! :scaryberry:

When "Barry" first introduced himself to Mac and Bloo, I actually misheard it as "Berry", and I couldn't quite get her image out of my head every time they called him by name. But it was a connection I would have dismissed as too good to be true. Poor naive jj.

(I'm not sure if the flashbacks were totally necessary, since they detracted from what might have been a truly shocking "GOTCHA!" moment, but that's small potatoes.)

Anyhow, a fine, fine episode, in which Mac and Bloo behave almost like a troubled married couple - Bloo is drawn to a little infidelity, and Mac, upon realisation of this, goes to drown his sorrows in sugar. There was a sizeable role for Duchess too, which pleases me greatly, particularly since she didn't get much screen time in Season 4 (I got a real kick out of seeing the corners of her mouth go upwards - er, I mean to her right - for a very brief moment...she has quite a charming little grin). Nice to see more of Richie Wildebrat too, if only for a background cameo.

And yep, the return of such a familiar and long-dormant face should indeed be a new ray of hope to those of us who revere a one-off character. I'm still not getting my hopes up that I'll ever see my beloved Tinseltown producer again, but it's good to see that not every Foster's antagonist need fall off the face of the earth after being defeated (obviously Duchess and Terrence don't count).

Aside from the time Mr. Herriman said, "I could have been killed!", there was one other time death was mentioned:

Mac: This isn't a game anyore! This is life or death; do or die!
Eduardo: I don't want to die!
Mac: Then we have no choice. We've got to DO.

I totally know what you mean, it's sign a refreshing and wonderful thing to see consistency in a cartoon show. Actually showing IMAGES and direct referencing an episode that happened before. Fosters rarely has done this, most of it was short, small references like Mac and Bloo finding Uncle Pockets junk in "Squeeze the day".

Mac wanting to buy back his rocket wars figures that he wasted on Bloo's stupid movie from "false movie" AND the rip off artist line. But this was a much more effective and powerful flashback, bringing back Berry was a genius idea and they played it out so smart that you almost couldn't believe it happened.

This episode was a landmark on so many levels: breaking cartoon taboo rules and as a Foster's episode in and of itself. I truly tip my hat to the Fosters crew, this is the first time they have truly "wowed me", I never expected this kind of material from Fosters or that I would EVER see any kind of material from this kind of kids show.

Fosters is not the kind of show that involves life or death situations or villains of Berry's caliber (btw, I don't think anyone can honestly have sympathy for Berry and her "supposed" abuse possibility after this episode), so for this show to take the initiative and make an episode like this a big deal as far as cartoon "death" goes.

Wow. Just wow.
This was just too great. I have to admit that I actually didn't see the plot twist coming... I mean, I was sort of thinking about if Berry would return when season four had all these Cheese and Goo appearances, but I had a lot of doubts, since she hadn't been seen since season one. And then this episode shows up, and Berry's... back on track! Okay, sorry about that.
The sort of serious atmosphere in the train scene is great! It actually is pretty suspenseful even though you know Mac's not getting killed. Gosh, I just rememberred a comment of mine earlier in this thread, before it aired...That thought is even more scary now that the ep has aired...

Anyway, I also loved the comedy of the ep. Bloo did act like a jerk, but a funny jerk, and he also felt bad about it. Besides, he made up for it by saving Mac's life in the end. Now, the thing with Mac drowning his sorrows in sugar and acting like a drunk has to be my favourite Mac-on-sugar scene.

All in all, a fantasma-astical ep, and a great addition to a great season! One last thing... for some reason, that shot where Berry rolls away tied to a rubber band ball once again spells out "she'll be back again" for me. :scaryberry:

Even though I accidentally stumbled on the huge twist of the episode, before the fact, it certainly didn't diminish my enjoyment of it in the slightest.


AWF was another incredibly well done episode, and was hilarious from start to finish.

I particularly liked both of the one sided conversations, Mac and Bloo had during the course of the episode, the little montage of Bloo's "affair", the whole "Mac drowning his sorrows" bit. (Even though I totally saw where they were going with that, when he entered the ice cream parlor.) and of course all of the call backs to previous episodes which are always a nice touch for the long time viewers.

So yeah another winner in a long line of winners.

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the brief appearance of Richie Wildebrat at Mac's school. I can't possibly be the only one who saw him.

Yeah I caught the cameo too, testing the waters to see if he is worthy of bringing back in a future episode, perhaps?

This was an awesome episode. Granted, Berry can make any episode awesome. I?ve posted my thoughts on her portrayal in her discussion topic, but I still think this episode was very entertaining. You don?t need a wide array of characters just to have a brilliant episode, and I think this episode was just fine. I loved seeing Mac get messed up on sugar, and Berry was a fantastic villain. I also loved the Cow & Chicken reference, with ?Immortal Wombat?, and it?s nice to see them giving props to the shows that have ended so long ago.

Here?s to you, Berry. May you roll your way into another episode in the future.

:scaryberry:

Three words:

Holy. Freakin'. Crap.

This is one of the best episodes of the season, I laughed so hard. YAY BERRY! I missed her, and seeing her again was a treat. I actually kinda saw her coming when Barry Bling said "his" name. Richie Wildebrat was in a background cameo!

Sugar Drunk Mac, I love thee xD

A+!

She's Baaaaaa-aaack! :scaryberry:

This episode had a plot twist that even I could not had imagined! Barry Bling actually being Heather? WHO KNEW?

Great Googily Moogily! Another sugar rush by Mac, this time out of anger and angst, and none of the other humans were in this episode, nor was Mr. H. And Duchess actually giving advice to Mack-a-lacka? Who knew she'd have a heart?

This scored an 8.9/10 on the TV.com system, and give credit to Mrs. McCracken and her writing partner for this episode, Cindy Morrow.

Duchess wasn’t helping Mac out of kindness. She was jealous and upset that “Barry” didn’t adopt her, and that “Barry” was spending all of “his” time with Bloo. So, helping Mac was her way of getting revenge, as she was getting back at Bloo.

At any rate, the rating system on TV.com is highly flawed, so I don’t think your note about its score really matters.

At some future point in the show, it would not surprise me if Duchess manages to redeem herself. It seemed as though she was motivated as much by being able to sympathize with Mac's having been "abandoned" by his Imaginary Friend as by her desire to get even with Bloo for ruining her adoption chances, twice. Duchess is starting to really "grow" on me. I don't believe she's anywhere near the threat that Barry is, that's for sure!

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Tsk, Cass. ;)

Well, he DID save his friend. I don't find Bloo's reaction disturbing at all. We don't really know what was going through Bloo's mind. For those that believed that Bloo's getting worse and worse by each season, I think most would agree that this is not the case. Recently, we've seen more of the Blooregard Q. Kazoo that does express that he does, indeed, care about Mac. Even though he's still shows some of the selfish, self-centered of himself, I think that he's matured a bit this season; I really believe that.

Even though there were no images/flashbacks in "Setting a President", don't forget Mac did mention past events from earlier episodes to Bloo. Even THAT is something that one does not hear in cartoons. As for sympathizing Berry, yeah -- I certainly do NOT. She should be in prison for a LONG time, for what she had tried to do to a young boy. However, it's certainly not out of the question that she might return at some point.

Indeed, these people (the crew) are brilliant. They certainly do not fail to find new ways to amaze the audience. :)

Yeah? It wouldn't surprise me, either. I feel like that this is something that could possibly happen in the series, and well, we'll have to stay tuned to find out. I, too, feel that Duchess's character is "growing" on me. She has certainly been quite interesting with her appearances this season.

Well, I still have sympathy for Berry. This episode didn?t really change anything for me; I love her as a villain, but I still believe that Imaginary Friends are pretty much innocent creatures. In most cases, they?re created the way they are, and behave in a way that they really can?t control. I highly doubt Berry was ?normal? and suddenly decided to become an obsessed lunatic; that?s the point I?ve tried to make. She?s a victim of her own existence.

At any rate, I loved her plan in this episode, as I said in her discussion topic.

Hey, it's fine, if you feel that way for Berry, and that you believe she's a victim. As for Berry being innocent, I'm sorry, but I beg to differ. I always believe in the "innocent until proven guilty" deal, and to me, she is definitely guilty. Don't take it personal, but that's how I look at it.

You have to look at the larger picture, though. I know that this is all just a matter of opinion, but seeing how somebody already said “I don’t think anyone can honestly have sympathy for Berry and her “supposed” abuse possibility after this episode”, I feel like I have to make my point. If a child is raised from birth to be a killer, and the child kills somebody, is the child truly to blame? No, the child would be a victim of their own upbringing; they would still be wrong for doing what they did, but the person truly responsible would be the individuals who raised the child to be a killer.

In Berry’s case, I don’t think she was created normally and decided one day to just go insane and become obsessed with Bloo. I’m fairly confident that her creator, whether intentionally or unintentionally, created an extremely unstable Imaginary Friend. Berry has a lot of emotional issues; she isn’t coping with her emotional issues very well, but it isn’t her fault that she has them.

Imaginary Friends don’t have the same luxuries that humans have. They aren’t allowed to grow up and really develop their own sense of selves. They’re just poofed into existence, regardless of how imperfect they may be. You can’t look at Berry in black-and-white and dismiss her as nothing but evil.

Edit: And what exactly did you mean when you said “if you feel that way for Berry”? I said I loved her as a villain; I didn’t say I was in love with her. I’m probably reading your comment incorrectly, but it sounded suggestive.

I just saw that episode on the marithon on Cartoon Network, I had a tiny bit of suspicion when I heard the "Rich Boys" name was Berry. But I watched it, It shocked me.. complete plot twist like eveybody else said, nearley scared me there for a sec when I saw the sculpture of Bloo, ehehe gotta love Berry at times

Whoo! This is an awesome episode! The most shocking twist in all of Fosters history(which I didn't see coming, despite all the clues, despite the fact that I saw on this forums that Berry was comin' back for a new episode, and despite the fact that they pronounced Barry identical to Berry!) All the more awesome for having Duchess, she was so cute with her "Introduce me, introduce me!" bouncing up and down>:(. She managed to appear in an episode where she wasn't the biggest b**ch! And the fact that Mac & Bloo were so identical was so cool too. A freind of mine vouched the opinion that Bloo is pretty much Mac when hyper. IT's eerily true!

Lol, jj gets it. She's nobody. 8D

I was very tired, and there were a lot of posts to go through. :P

I have a feeling that I'm going to be hearing about this for some time. 8D

Also, you have to wonder how Berry managed to get free from the rubber-band ball she was trapped in from "Berry Scary".

Only to get herself Stuck in another one again, ;)

Eep!

Ever since I saw this episode, I've had one constant thought: "What will happen to Berry in the fancomunity NOW?" Because after she elbowed Mac in Berry Scary she became hated amongst a lot of fans, which was completely ridiculous XD ...But now that she actually tried to KILL Mac, I bet there will be flame wars (and I'm of course referring to places like DeviantArt where all the rabid "fangirls" gather in masses)

I like Berry, I'm all pro killing XD Even though Mac is my favorite character :P

I love it how its a big major deal that Duchess and Terrence basically tried to kill Bloo (and possibly Mac) in the pilot, and that Berry tried to kill Mac in this ep; and yet no one (fans or characters) ever batted an eye at the fact that Mac threw his own brother to an Extremasaur to save Bloo in the pilot...Terrence and Duchess were essentially EATEN - NO one knew they would be spit out like they were. And no one cared if they had lived or died. It doesn't matter if they're antagonists, they would have been dead due to the actions of a small child. And yet this is somehow okay while other similar events are not?

At the end of the day, it's still a cartoon and these situations are presented to us as entertainment. I just think its hypocritical to treat them differently just because one might like one character better than another. If you're going to talk about Berry going to jail for what she did then perhaps Mac should answer for what he did as well?

No one has to answer that, I just had to say it.

Aaaahhh! I saw this ep the other night when it first aired, and I'm still floored.

By the second act, I had come to accept that this just going to be a pretty mediocre episode. I mean, I liked the "My Guy" speech and Bloo acting out that two-person conversation with himself (though, surprisingly, I found Mac's version even funnier), I appreciated the cute play on the concept of infidelity, and words cannot even describe how hilariously adorable Princess Bloo is. :bloosmirk: But other than that stuff, I wasn't terribly impressed. The plot was looking to be not all that amazing, I didn't like that Barry kid even as an antagonist, and I was a wee bit disappointed that Wilt, Ed, and Coco didn't have prominent roles as I particularly like the episodes that have more of an ensemble feel.

I was also a little bothered by the references to past episodes. I know, I know, this isn't the first time a Foster's episode has referenced previous episodes, and usually I don't take issue with it at all. But this time, for some reason it felt blatant and, I dunno...forced. It was like "Hey, remember this? Remember that?" ::) But then...but then, almost out of nowhere, they pull a "Remember...THIS :scaryberry:!"

BAM! POW! It hit me so fast and so hard that I didn't see it coming 'til it came. Freakining brilliant how we were so cunningly deceived into expecting something tame before getting something INCREDIBLE. Sure, I guess there were clues along the way- the name "Barry" (which I did notice but simply chalked up to forgetful writers overlooking that other one-shot character) being the big one- but if you're anything like me, you only noticed them in retrospect.

One of my new favorite episodes! Awesome! Genius! Amazing! I loved it too much, and I want to watch it agaaaaaaaaain!

I knew from the beginning that Barry was Berry...

Great episode! :berry:

How, exactly? There have been other people who claimed to know right from the beginning, but I don?t see how that would be possible. Unless people read about it in advance, I don?t believe that was any real evidence in the beginning to prove that ?Barry? was Berry.

Well... I sort of realized it as well. I don't think the writers would give such similar names to two different characters, and it's not the first time they've tried to fool the audience by dressing one of the characters up. Remember "I Only Have Surpise for You"? Also, "Barry" seemed to like Bloo from the very start, smiling and laughing

^ LOL I'm a retarded and didn't give the name much thought. I just was like "omg lol another rich blonde kid."

I was kinda sad Barry wasn't real. I liked his hair and attitude. XD

One of my family members is named Barry; he has no use for the show. Had "Barry" not turned out to be "Berry", I was going to tease him unmercifully. 8D :bendy:

XD I think the episode might have had more impact on me if I hadn't gone to spoil myself by reading what was posted here and by checking through the screencaps. XDD

But still, it was a fantastic episode, and I absolutely LOVED the one person dialog that Bloo and Mac both did, it was hilarious! XD And it shows how well they know each other, right down to the corrections of the idioms XDD I don't know how long the voice actors took to pull that off without any mistakes. And Berry's line at the end. XDDD I cracked up SO HARD at the insane grin she pulled RIGHT after the long speech XDDDDDD

But ohh man, Bloo, that no good two-timing rotten times two-er! XDDD I love how most of the recent new eps focus on Mac and Bloo's friendship. I'm not complaining. There hasn't been enough of it throughout the ENTIRE series. I think Season 5 might possibly be the best out of all the seasons, just for the sheer hilarity and heart-warming-ness of most of the episodes released so far. I ish a happy Foster fangirl. :D

edit: lol I love how they just grabbed the entire credits list from Good Wilt Hunting and slapped it into this episode without editing it. *rolls eyes* I know because it listed "Socket Tubey's Creator" in the credits and the only mention of that was in GWH. Barry and Berry weren't under Grey DeLisle's credits at all.

Excuse me while I squeal. *does so* =D=D=D


And y'know what? My little sister TOTAL called it. After the first act, Emily said, "It's probably Berry in disguise!" I went-a like, "Ehhhhhhh.....", then she was all, "THINK ABOUT IT." So I did. It made sense...Sorta...But I wasn't convinced. I truely didn't think they'd bring her back, and I didn't peg her as one good at acting. Besides, someone disguised as someone else? In Foster's? Come on! *brick'd by Madame Arty* Oh. Yeah.

Then, once Mac started stumbling through the mansion, and that music started playing...WHOO, something was up! As soon as I saw the Bloo stuff, IT WAS TRUTH. =O

I looked over at Em, and it still hadn't registered. "EM, DUDE. YOU WERE SO RIGHT." "...What?" "LOOOK." "=O" "=D" "=D"


ANYHOW, I cannot tell you how happy seeing Berry again made me. Awesome little villainess! =3
I dun really care if ya dun like 'er. Explain away your dislike, it doesn't matter. It would've been okay in the end no matter what, and it's fun to see obsession like hers. x3

Yeah, CN's been doing that for every Foster's episode for a few months. I first noticed it this summer, I think sometime in July. I've been keeping my eye on it when I want to confirm who I think is doing a certain one-time character's voice, and it's been the "GWH" credits, which is useless for the newer episodes. It's frustrating and irritating at times. :scaryberry: But yeah, I fount it pretty obvious too that Grey did the voice for Barry-with-an-A. Of course, we already know she does the voice for Berry-with-an-E. :berry:

Yes good episode. It was very pleasant to see Berry again (it's been too long) though I had guessed it was her straight away because of the name thing and the fact I'd noticed the Berry thread suddenly come alive. I take it she'd disguised herself as a real person because Duchess recognised him. Even got the rich person smell right. How long were those people kept like that? Ahhh never question the toon.

Speaking of Duchess, good to see her back again>:( and poor old Mac back on the white stuff:P.

What a world!