Only up to a point. >:(

Please don't post back-to-back.

Japanese animators, I believe, choose to spend much of the money and resources they have to work on a series on making the art very complex -- for example, a lot of times a character running will really just be jerking back and forth yet in another scene they will have meticulously animated the same character's hair blowing dramatically in the wind.

Compare:

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Anime sacrifices fluidity, and, sometimes, actual motion in its animation for complexity (except when it has an overload of super-deformed scenes.... then it sacrifices both). Dramatic panning, yay!

.....also, I know we've been over the "toilet humor" thing but I just went into the kitchen and B&M was on TV and the first thing I heard was "I dare you to sniff your own butt."

.....yeah.

ok.. well we can all see your annoyed by censorship.. but seriously, wether or not you seem to know it, its there for a reason. it does get annoying, but there are people under the age of 6 in america who might fumble upon it...

Seems like a fair criticism to me, if that is what someone particularly dislikes about a cartoon.

Well I just meant I don't like the idea of blaming someone or something for something that wasn't really in their control. Now a days though anime is a different story because like with most shows (or it will soon be), animation gets taken over by computers.

Some of the older animes all have unique styles that are distinguishable by the author or writer, now though most animes are drawn through computers and alot of the animation styling looks the same. Same with our cartoons, alot of shows sport similar designs that really cut down on the toons individual properties.

Sorry, did you read my full post? I said there are anime which aren't drawn that way, I even made examples! I didn't say I hated anime because of that, I said there are some in which it's really evident.

Very good point, Mr.Marshmallow. That's something I've been aware of for a while. while that procedure does make the shows look sharper and "better" it sacrifices the individual charm the show had.
I also noticed that when shows are done like that the character designes become more refined and set in stone if you know what I mean. Simpsons are a good example. They just stoped looking like the Simpsons I remember once they became computer drawn and not hand drawn. I really miss Lissa's old designe, she was so much cuter.:(

i love the certain cartoons that i do because they make me laugh, give me good one liners, make me feel youthful without being weird, and some of them are just really adult oriented and that is great...

i can't think of anything really bad, although there are some that i think are pointless. but there is one for everyone. even my hubby, who rarely watches anything but espn will sit down and watch foster's with me and really enjoy it and laugh....it is sweet.

No, I didn't say you hated anime and didn't mean any negativity or harsh intentions to come out of what I said.

The thing I've always hated the most about traditional cartoons, and I guess, some Anime(don't watch it, so I might be wrong here)is that so many have a plot that revolve around a "Good Guy", who's always flawless and does only "good" things", and a "Bad Guy", or villain, who's out to "get" the Good Guy, no matter what, and who is thoroughly rotten to the core. Quite often there was no reason given for why the Bad Guy had it in for the Good Guy, although sometimes this was simply a matter of who was highest on the food chain(ex. Wile E. Coyote and Roadrunner). Most episodes featured the Bad Guy going to some great length to kill/hurt/catch/stop the Good Guy, and the Good eventually prevailing, making the Bad Guy look like a fool. It was pretty much clear-cut that people are either totally Good or totally Bad, no in between; Good people never do bad things, and Bad people are certainly incapable of doing anything good.

I guess that's one of the reasons why Foster's appeals to me-the characters more closely mirror real life. It's difficult to determine, sometimes, whether to call Bloo a "Good Guy" or a "Bad Guy", as he's certainly done things that would qualify him for both catagories. Even Wilt has done some things that were clearly bad, like pushing Mr. Herriman down the stairs in "Bus the Two of Us", while Duchess did a favor for Eduardo. True, she SAID that it was to keep him from making HER look bad in the photo, but it was still a favor, so it goes to show that no one is totally good or bad on the show. Given time, we usually find out the reasons and past experiences that make the characters "tick" and give insight as to why they do the things they do, and we're led to wonder about the ones we have not learned about yet, rather than be asked to simply accept that "So-and-So is evil" or "What-His-Face is pure Goodness".

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How it has turned from good quality with inside jokes for adults/teens & kids whoare smart & get those jokes to bad quality where the jokes are gay & it looks like 10 year olds write the scripts. Too much freakin' teeny bop crap nowadays.

I can handle toilet humor when it is used in a funny way like in Billy & Mandy, now when episodesare based on butts *cough*gympartner'samonkey*cough*.

I soley hate anime because it's boring & the jokes are ghey. If there like those weird Japanese game shows I'd watch it.;)

Don't even get me started on animated movies now the only good companies are Pixar (Now eaten upby Disney::) ), Dreamworks (Now eaten up by Paramount) & Bluesky. Disney has completely fallen in the crapper unless the aquisition of Pixar makes it better.
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Okay, I agree with the first part of your statement. But calling anime ghey/boring and saying you hate it? I find that extremely offensive and a bit judgmental...

Yeah I kind of am hurt by that too. Actually, some animor humor can be as clever, vulgar, or effective is our own style of humor, it all depends on the anime. Certain animes apply solely to certain peopke's senses of humor.

Much like our own shows, certain cartoons apply to certain people only, or are intended for certain people only. I do know of some animes that do have very dry senses of humor, but I've also seen the dubbed versions come out a thousand times funnier.

Samurai Pizza Cats is a fine example of that. One thing I love about cartoons is how they do super heroes. I think they do super heroes more justice then in the movies. The multiple villains, the voice actors, and the fights! Superman and Batman: animated series had some superb script writing and dialouge.

Clancy Brown's performance of Lex Luthor in the Superman cartoon series is a thousand times better then ANY of the movie versions of him. Now for something I hate.....politically correct cartoons. You know it's really sad when you hear Bugs Bunny cartoons and guys are being censored these days.

Porky Pig, and Speedy Gonzales are considered "racial characters" and toons like Tom and Jerry get edited because a black house keeper character is considered offensive as well. Hell, even half the things Tom and Jerry do to each other is considered offensive because there sending "bad messages".

:jk: What a load of crap.

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If you go to one of the links I posted It will show you what got edited out,I despise political correctness:frankiemad:

Toilet humor doesnt bother me, either. I love My gym partner's a monkey, though xDD That's a show I really like.

Also, I guess a lot of the toilet humor is what makes kids laugh, which is what a lot of the creators are aiming at.

I'm not to fond of anime either. I'm doing just fine watching my american cartoons :D I like seeing the match ups with mouth movements and the words

Adult cartoons in general are kinda starting to bother me. Their increased popularity and influence means that those who watch "kids toons" are more prone than ever to ridicule by our increasingly cynical, conceited, "nice people finish last" society. I REALLY hate it when I see a "What's your favorite cartoon?" thread on other boards and see The Simpsons/Futurama/Family Guy/South Park/Adult Swim make up 90% of the responses.

And, in my view, most adult cartoons today aren't really so "cutting edge". The Simpsons used to be the undisputed king of animated sitcoms; now it's just a soulless, creatively-bankrupt money-making machine for FOX. Family Guy is completely worthless if you took away it's trademark "manatee gags". South Park is sometimes great and even genius, but I find most of the so-called "offensive" content to be boring and predictable. Adult Swim's original comedies are really hit-or-miss for me, there are some I enjoy or even love, but others are so awful that I can't believe they're airing on cable TV.

To me, it seems that most adult cartoons are so obsessed with being trendy or offensive or snidely self-aware that they end up neglecting the actual characters and story. Futurama remains one of my all-time favorite shows because it wasn't just random gags or blatantly offensive content, it had actual storylines and characters that had some depth to them, even if the show was mostly comedic. I want to see another "adult" cartoon like that.

Sadly, it's not like today's children toons aren't faring any better.

Ugh. If that means I'm supposed to accept it, then you are COMPLETELY wrong. That kind of "humor" is one of the absolute WORST things to happen to cartoons in general, both for children and adults.

I couldant agree with Voxxyn any more if I wanted to. Another problom with Simpsons, Family Guy and even American Dad is that they are WAY too left wing for their own good. They come off as patronizing and anti Republican and that really turns me off sometimes since I consider myself a Consevative.
Futurama was differant. While Simpsons and Family Guy are very scarce on character development, (Simpsons is the biggest culprit here) Futurama continued with the formula that made us love Simpsons in the first place. It had characters that you could care about and the plots were very character driven-not driven around the characters. Things happend for a reason and the characters learned something or were affected in some way.
If this is the direction that animated sitcoms are going then I'm pretty upset. King of the Hill is the only one I can think of that hasant really changed but I was never a fan of that show to begin with.

Family Guy doesn't rely completely on the cutaway jokes, and either way, they're funny. I never liked Futurama, and the Simpsons is just so much brainhurt nowadays.


I agree though, toilet humor is stupid. It's just gross. Slapstick humor makes kids laugh. THINK BACK, REMEMBERRRRRRRRRRRR. As someone who babysits and has two little brothers, I can safely say that a guy having a piano dropped on him is much funnier to a toddler than farting.


As for anime, saying you hate it is like saying you hate cartoons or movies or books. =\ That is a really gigantic broad general term. One Piece and Ranma rock my pox.


Also plz die Loonatics. 8D That is another thing I hate about cartoons, when no one has a bloody original idea floating around in their cranium.

That's your opinion. and no where in my post did I say anyone had to accept anything. It was just MY opinion.

I'm gonna get attacked for saying this, but MOST cartoons are intended for kids. they aren't JUST for kids, but INTENDED for them. and kids like weird things. I know because I still am a kid.

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Calling anything gay is pretty lame, but that aside, Wendi was merely saying that a lot of creators are aiming to make kids laugh, which is true, because most cartoons -- Foster's included -- are intended for kids (and nobody say "but they're for adults too" because although they make it so adults can enjoy it as well, it is a kids' show first and foremost).

anime doesn't use dubbing for a humorous advantage nearly often enough.

Thank you so much for understanding, Kageri :bloogrin

WELL! What I really like about cartoons, mostly, is character deisiiiiign!! :D I like characters that look like cute and stuff :D and I easly grow attached to ATTITUDE!!! which is cool, I GUESS.

LOL right on

Character design/style is always the first thing I notice. ;D You know what has adorable character designs is The Emperor's New Groove. Especially Yzma harurharruhehehee. I love that movie.

I also love VILLAINS. O:

I agree with Voxxyn adult cartoons have really fallen down the crapper. The only adult cartoons I like now are Simpsons, Family Guy, South Park, Robot Chicken & Futurama. Adult Swim is completely retarded now, a show about a cop butt? WTF!? While shows with good humor which is suitable for both kids & adults is basically ignored now.::) :frankiemad:

I dislike it when Anime titles, such as One Piece, get seriously altered, and it's like you're watching a whole new serious -- and not in a good sense. I also dislike many of the newest adult programs out there.

Mmmmyup, 4Kids is to blame for their bad anime dubs.

Ahh yes, Disney's last good 2D movie. That made me want a llama for a pet so bad. Also it had a horrible self-centered jerk for a protagonist so naturally I approve.

I don't know about last good 2D movie, I thought Lilo and Stitch was quite fun and far outside the regular formula. And as for 3d movies, well so far they haven't made one worth watching more than once. Unless you really love Chicken Little.

Good point, I forgot about that one. How about "often-overlooked good 2D movie".

I'm with you there. Though not so overlooked anymore now that it's spawned a sequel and a spin-off series. Disney doesn't know how to deal with a good thing anymore. Well, at least it didn't under Eisner. Hopefully under Iger we get some of the old goodness back.

I wish they'd stop making low-budget spin-offs and sequels. Just let the successes be remembered for how great they were and leave 'em alone. The Bambi and Fox and the Hound sequels? HIGHLY UNNECESSARY. :[

Anyways, I also dislike bad voice acting (which has been mentioned, but still) in cartoons, which anime dubs seem to be overly plagued with. Is it because no voice actors that people have actually heard of don't want to work on anime? Why?!

I really have to stand up for american dad on that one. :\ Many people have the exact same complaint about it that you do, that it's constantly taking jabs at the Republican party. In my opinion, since one of the main characters is nothing more than a dragged out stereotype of a Liberal, Democrats also get poked at too. Besides the two "conservative and liberal" characters (and those minor characters outside the family associated with them) everyone else seems to be pretty neutral towards politics. Even with politically neutral characters, you can still get a politically-driven cartoon... and even that's not [recently] been the case, since the show is getting more and more like a traditional sitcom. Owells.

I'll agree with you on everything else... family guy doesn't even *try* to make it even, and Simpsons is kind of meh when it comes to putting political messages in their episodes. They used to be more subtle, but now it's like "TODAY WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT DRUGS."

Then again I am incredibly neutral towards politics, but I can see how someone would get weird if they constantly riped on your beliefs. :]

UGh, Chicken Little was a waste of my time. Boring movie.

I can't believe I missed this response the first time.

I haven't watched the Simpsons in a while, so I can't say anything there. I've never really seen much of Family Guy to know if there's a Liberal bias, or American Dad. As a Conservative myself (or at least more to the Right-of-Center, even though I don't belong to any political party), I know how you feel about stuff on television expressing bias, and to me, it's unfair. I'd be happier, if such shows had as many jabs on the other side than to solely focus on one side.

Let's move off of politics people, shall we? 'Tis a potentially explosive topic at best. :herriman:

Exactly, not to mention BORING:herrsleep:

Will do.

What else do I dislike? One already mentioned it, but terrible voice-acting. If the acting of an animated series is horrible, it really does make it a lot less enjoyable to view. I'm still very critical of Disney for cutting out 2D, even though it's apparently going to bring it back (mainly thanks to Pixar, I think). I'm not anti-3D in any way, however, I strongly believe there's always a place for 2D.

I prefer 2D to 3D, ORD, especially when I know it's hand-drawn. I was awful sad when I heard that Disney was dropping it and closing their most of their 2D studios.

They might be bringing it back? That's good, because lately I've come mighty close to being done with them. Between the loss of 2D, the brainwash-inducing music groups they come up with, the complete lack of good television cartoons in production, and High School Musical, I am on the edge.

Emporer's New Groove is great example of an overlooked Disney film. Another recent example was Treasure Planet, which I thought was quite entertaining.

Never understood the hoopla over Lilo and Stitch, by the way. I may be the only one.

I'd argue that Disney's most often overlooked animated film is The Great Mouse Detective. When I've talked Disney films with folks, it is rarely brought up by anyone but me, but is a great one.
People overlook Saludos Amigos and the like as well, but that's more understandable since they package films (set of shorter cartoons) and are quite old.
People also overlook The Black Cauldron, but that's probably because Disney wants folks to forget they made it.

There are a few Disney films I can't stand... Frankly, I hate it when Disney overdoes a movie, when it seems like they are trying too hard. Most of their films since Beauty and the Beast have overdone aspects.

Really? I thought their very earlier ones were just ridiculous, like Snow White, especially the scene where the Queen transforms into a hag. Lightning! Thunder! Shrieking! Cackling! So dramatic. XD Then again, that's probably because of the time period. Snow White seems less irritatingly perfect when you stick her in the 1930s.

I loathe 3D animation, and all the stupid series and sequals that've come out recently. Especially the Emperor's New Groove one, because aside from all the retarded writing and subpar animation, David Spade isn't even voicing Kuzco. Ughh. How can these people live with themselves?

I could not sleep at night with the knowledge that I'm producing horrible offshoot cartoons in such massive amounts.